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Cast iron table is a biggie. (Unless it's an RBI Hawk, then the thick aluminum is just fine)

I like the older Delta's (18 & 20 inch). They weigh a ton and have low vibration. Even though they are 30+ years old there are a lot of parts still available. If you keep your eyes open you can get a lot of saw for under $200.

Whatever saw you are looking at, it's worth the 5 minutes to see how easy it is to get parts from eBay or ereplacementparts.com

The blade clamps on my Delta Q3 saws I can still find on eBay, and the hawk still has parts available online.

I still want an old powermatic or Rockwell saw... but I don't have the floor space for it....yet

Thanks, Doug...good recommendation to check on availability of parts for the older saws. I looked for the older Delta's and Rockwell's and found quite a few on Marketplace...all seem reasonably priced.
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If the upper arm and blade is powered up and down as well as the lower arm, it is probably a good saw. If the upper arm and end of the saw blade is pulled back up by a spring, the saw is a candidate for being a door stop. That was the final purpose of my spring return jig saw (won't even call it a scroll saw). When it was no god as a door stop, it went to metal salvage.

A DeWalt 788 is what I have and I've been quite pleased with it. I've re-built it 2 times now, replacing most of the bearings each time.

Delta now offers a similar saw to the 788, and I own a lot of old Delta tools, but refuse to buy from the new Delta Tool Company because of parts and warranty problems. They are trying, but are far from being a good company to do business with, in my opinion.

Excaliber has had it's own problems too. But recently, they are back selling a similar saw to the DeWalt, again. They had a very good saw, but I don't know how the latest versions are doing.

Then there is the RBI saw by Bushton. The more recent variable speed models are supposed to be quite good. Some people like them. I'm just not a fan of their saws.

Right now, if I was to buy a new scroll saw, it would likely be a Pegas saw, but they aren't cheap. If price is really important, I would consider DeWalt, or maybe the Delta, but only because it is made much like the DeWalt 788, and I know how to get better bearings cheaper than their parts suppliers offer. Jet offers a scroll saw now, as does Seyco, but they aren't budget priced saws either, and I have no personal experience with either of them.

Just avoid the saws with the spring return on the blade, and you will likely have a pretty good scroll saw.

If you want to hook up with the scroll saw experts, consider joining www.scrollsawvillage.com. You will find me there too, but also most other serious scroll saw users of the World.

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Charley...thank you for all the info. How old is your 788 that it needed bearings...? (couldn't help wondering) Are the new 788's as good as the older ones...?

Are the bearings unique or can one grab the number on the bearing and find them easily...?

And much thanks for the note on the spring return...will definitely keep that top of the list...!

Thanks again for your response...

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I don't know if Rick is still answering emails, but if it's a scrollsaw, he has used it.

https://www.scrollsaws.com/

Thanks for the link, Doug...

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I have an old Craftsman direct drive cast iron I that I have rebuilt several times. New bearings and made a connecting rod out of aluminum. I don't do precision work with it but it has cut lots of toy bodies over the years. I had an old delta that I sold years ago wish I still had that saw. If I was going to buy a new one it would probably be a Dewalt. Look on Facebook Marketplace I find a lot of deals on there for used stuff.
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I would say I liked my Delta best for the blades (it took pinned, and pinless), but I like my Excalibur's ability to keep my work surface cleaner. I wish my Excalibur took pinned as well as pinless blades (like my old Delta did)

To add to that...

Look at scroll saws like any other tool; what will you be doing with it. If you were going to do detailed/fret work, make sure you get pinless.. my gf had one that was pinned blades only, and she was limited on what she could cut, because, of course with pins, the holes can only be so small to get the blade through.

Thanks, Barb, for the reminder on pin/pinless...good point...
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If you're looking for a used machine, first priority to me would be if it worked or not. Then what would it be used for. I've got a Craftsman I bought new, and on sale, for $35, around 25 years ago. I've never done any detail work with it, just cut out my masters, close to the line, then sand them to final shape. Basically, that is all I use it for. Supposedly it uses both pinned and pinless blades, but all I use is the pinned blades - easier for me to change. Works for me.

Thanks, Theo...good reminder that the ole Craftsmans had some value...

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I just wrote to Pegasus because their site was deficient on information. We'll see how fast they reply and what information they provide.

Most of what I've read over the years favors the DeWalt or the Excaliber. Apparently each machine differs in terms of vibraton. You should probably purchase from a source with a good return policy. I have had great CS on returns from Home Depot. The DeWalt is about $562 on HD site. Buy online, deliver at local store.

The Pegasas is $789 online, plus shipping, which varies by your location.

I found an excellent review of several 16 inch scroll saws and two 20 inch saws on the Popular Mechanics site for 2020. The 788 gets a good review there, It also suggests the price should be around $400+, which price I did not find. https://www.popularmechanics.com/hom.../a143/1274521/

At this point, if I were buying one, I'd probably go for the DeWalt. If it vibrated my teeth loose, I'd return it and get a replacement. The DeWalt has short reciprocating arms which lowers the vibration rate, but I did find that mass helps reduce vibration. In the past, I've seen recommendations for putting sandbags over the base's crossbars to absorb vibration. Looking at parts, I think the DeWalt parts are overpriced and if I used it intensely for years, I'd probably just replace it since there is no rebuild available and I just don't do repairs on tools. If you don't mind, then this is an annoyance.

The only mystery left is will the 788 take pinless and pinned blades. I was unable to find this information. Which is very strange. Anyone know?
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I have an old Craftsman direct drive cast iron I that I have rebuilt several times. New bearings and made a connecting rod out of aluminum. I don't do precision work with it but it has cut lots of toy bodies over the years. I had an old delta that I sold years ago wish I still had that saw. If I was going to buy a new one it would probably be a Dewalt. Look on Facebook Marketplace I find a lot of deals on there for used stuff.

Thanks, Roxanne...I also find lots of goodies on Marketplace...that's where I've started looking for the older saws.
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I'm not a scroller but you folks that are might be interested in these adapters...
Scrollsaw Workshop: Ichthys Scroll Saw Pattern.
https://www.bearwood.com/pegas-chuck...ment-kits.html

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see any mention of pinned blades in there(?), so can we assume that they're designed for pinless blades/ Excalibur, Delta, and Jet are all adaptable, and others as well.

Thanks, Dan...will definitely keep an eye on pin/pinless...(don't think I'll be springing for the Pegas though)

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