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Dan it is $3.50 here.
Here is an interesting article about the difference between Kiln dried and air dried. Are you building a boat? Read Petro's answer

https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/k...las-fir.21262/
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Petros was wrong about one thing. You can dry wood too fast. Operating dry kilns properly is quite a science now. Last I checked (quite a few years ago now) BCIT in Vancouver offered it as a course and it was 5 separate modules that each lasted a while and were somewhat costly to take. Modern kilns use steam to dry the wood and the temperature is closely regulated and varies over the drying schedule. Just heating the wood is likely to cause it to crack, that's why steam is used. The heat cycle at some point is also designed to soften the lignin in the wood so that when it cools the board is more likely to stay set in that form since lignin is essentially a plastic. Sawmills used to be happy to pay for employees to go take the courses as downgraded lumber due to cracking in the kiln can represent huge losses for them.

Someone I consider a master woodworker once told me that a master woodworker is not someone who never makes mistakes. He is someone who is able to cover them up so that no one can tell.
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Just heating the wood is likely to cause it to crack,
it will case harden it too...

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One way around pricing a job so you don't end up on the losing end is to bid it as a break down of everything. Make sure you get paid what your time is worth but make sure the customer knows he is responsible for the costs of supplies and materials and that if they decide to make changes after they give you the go-ahead it will cost more.

Bid your labor cost for what it will take to pick up materials, build and finish the project, and deliver it to the customer. I give a not to exceed cost (if you underbid the labor then it is your fault, make sure you cover everything in your labor cost). You also need to add a note for any changes to the original design as bid.
Bid any hardware, finish, and other supplies at cost plus shipping, taxes, and fees. Possibly add a small fee for research and ordering time, this fee can also help cover any price increases.
Bid other materials like wood as "approximately xxx BF of (wood-type) @ $x.xx per BF, = $xxx.xx, actually cost depend on price when purchased".
Also, add a flat rate charge for misc. supplies like shop towels, glue, brushes, screws, fasteners, and any specialty items like mixing cups and stir sticks for epoxies

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Labor: not to exceed 982.42 to build, finish, deliver
Hardware: 72.65 plus any shipping, taxes, and fees
Wood: approximately 115 BF of Red Oak @ $5.45 per BF, = $626.75, actually cost depends on price at time of purchased plus any taxes and fees
Finish: 63.28 plus any shipping, taxes, and fees
Misc supplies: 25.00 for misc supplies -glue, towels, brushes

NOTE: These costs are for the project as designed - any changes will be at additional cost)
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On the bright side gas is dropping again but I have no place to go
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On the bright side gas is dropping again but I have no place to go
That's why it's dropping. At least go fill your tank.
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Lumber mills technically weren't shut down

I work for west fraser. Alberta plywood specifically. We were deemed an essential service (i believe the whole forrestry industry was) as we are a supplier for home depot. If your in Ontario or Quebec buying sheating good chance I helped dry the veneer in that piece.

We were curtailed for 6 weeks ONLY because we couldn't sell the plywood when Ontario and Quebec shuttered their construction industry. We were full. To the brim no Where's to put the plywood of they wanted to.

During the 6 week shut down 3 weeks we ran at half capacity. To fill home depot orders.

These companies would sooner leave the trees on the ground and me at home without a job if they weren't making money.

Commodities will always make money. They cut production until demand ramps up. 100 percent though if there isn't new houses going up the mills will need to shut down.

I'd be very worried about a lot of the small to medium size mills not surviving covid 19, and having the big forestry companies being able to charge more less competition.
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Hello Nick and welcome to the forums...
We're happy you found us...

We do welcome all questions on about any subject you can come up w/ too....
Not only that, we excel at spending your money...
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Welcome to the Forum, Nick...always good to get perspectives and experiences from other members. And to your point, if the housing market doesn't go up, many more businesses will be affected.
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