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I am looking at two units they are:

Shop Fox W1666 2 HP 1550 CFM Dust Collector at 325.00; 220V


JDS Company 14040 Dust-Force 1-1/2-Horsepower 1,250 CFM Vertical Bag Dust Collector. 375.00 110/220V

If someone knows anything about these two I would sure like to learn. I am ignorant when it comes to this subject. The price is right in the area I have been looking for. No shipping on either and maybe not tax either. Getting this and enough hose to connect to the planner and jointer would get me going.

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Jerry,
Always go for the one with the highest CFM. That's what it takes to pick up the dust efficiently. Also you need an upper bag or preferably drum that is rated at least .5 mil. Anything more than that and all it does is pick up the chips and pass the smaller (more lethal) dust back into the air.

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Jerry,

George is right, except he meant to say 0.5 micron.

If you want to learn a lot about how to make you shop safe from the fine (dangerous) dust, visit Bill Penz's web site at

Bill's Cyclone Dust Collection Research - Home Page

He has some good information on how to make a system efficient at picking up fines, even if the manufacturer doesn't offer such fine filtration.

Take some time and read through what he has to say and then make your own decision. It was a real eye-opener for me.

I'm tired of blowing sawdust out of my nose, much less the ultra-fines that make it past there and into the lungs.

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Jerry, if you have the opportunity and can put whatever unit you buy outside, it would #1, cut way down on the noise factor and #2 allow whatever fines escape the "bags" to blow away outside.

Thats 2 cents worth.
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Hi Jerry,

If you don't mind my suggesting this one: G0548 2 HP Canister Dust Collector

I realize, just like everyone else, money is an issue. But, you can't beat the canister style. The higher the CFM's the better.

BTW, several yrs ago, I purchased a DC from HF. Not much different than the one's you're looking at now. I will say this, mine is quiet. It does have the top an lower bags which IMHO, are it's drawbacks.

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Hey Jerry,

Hamlin is correct; put it outside and many of the dust issues go away. One caveat is if you condition your shop air, whether heating it as I do in Alaska or cooling it down south, there's no way the heating or cooling system can keep up with that much air flow.

Also plan on having some windows or a door open to outside to allow make-up air. A 16"x30" window will have air moving nearly 4 mph through it to replace 1200 CFM. Ideally that window is far from the DC. :-)

As it indicates on Bill's web site, you will want canister filters whether you go with a "bag type" or "cyclone-type" dust collector. Bill's web site includes how you to use aftermarket parts to convert to a cannister, if necessary.

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hi guys, im just asking this for my curiosity and benefit.
i noticed Jerry bought an air filtration unit first and installed it. at that time i thought and may have been wrong, but you need the dust collector first, then if you want the air filtration? am i wrong?

as a realist, my shop is plain and simple and i dont have sheetrock or painted walls have to keep pristeen nor do i want them. i love having a shop i dont have to fuss over and is not part of the house that has to be kept spotless. but i do want to get as much dust caught as i can.

this isnt intended to belittle anyone or their shop, just to help me in my little shop.

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Hey Levon,

True the DC will help keep your shop clean, however the greatest benefit is to keep the junk out of your lungs. An air filter will help do that. So will an respirator.

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hi Tom, i already knew that. in your opinion, which should be added to my shop first, thats what im asking ? does any one have an opinion? what hp? im asking for help to decide what to do. Maybe there is someone that knows which i should add first. i cant afford it all at once.

i just thought i needed to start with the machine that would do the most good the quickest. if my power tools are leaving lots of dust everywhere, it seems the air filtration is pretty much useles at this stage?

its very evident the air filtration system isnt doing all Jerry wants, he is looking at a dust collector.

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Hi levon,

IMHO, the DC should be first. This will hook up to any or all of your tools. It will help keep the amount of dust down. The amount will vary pending of what type of DC you're using, bag or canister type. An air filtration unit won't do much good if you can't control the dust at the tools/machines.

As for hp, a good ol' fashioned shop-vac works just as good. My DC unit is around the 1 1/2hp - 2hp range. I picked it up from HF. Does a decent job, quiet but, it's the bag style.

The air filtration unit, as explained above, is only to clean the air inside the shop. It's not a dust collector. Think of it as a respirator but, on a larger scale. It cleans the air you breathe.

Just my thoughts.

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