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I cut them on the table saw and finished the inside corner on the band saw. I think this is the best way to keep the two table surfaces parallel to eachother. I tuned my TS fence and TS miter gauge just before making the cuts, to be sure.
Well, the vise came today. Guess I will have to get started moding it.


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Be sure to post pictures Brad!
The photo of the Grizzly vise is taken after the vise has been turned one eighty and the rod rethreaded. Just need to get a drill bit and a tap.

The other photos are of the Jet Mortiser already disassembled. Took some measurements of the Jet positioned in reference to the vise. Should be able to do some fairly wide boards.

Hope to have it up and running by the weekend. It is supposed to get cooler!!!
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You're on your way to easier mortises! Definitely post pics when you get the base done and all assembled.


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The photo of the Grizzly vise is taken after the vise has been turned one eighty and the rod rethreaded. Just need to get a drill bit and a tap.

The other photos are of the Jet Mortiser already disassembled. Took some measurements of the Jet positioned in reference to the vise. Should be able to do some fairly wide boards.

Hope to have it up and running by the weekend. It is supposed to get cooler!!!
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You're on your way to easier mortises! Definitely post pics when you get the base done and all assembled.
Well, it took me some time to get to the full sheet of 3/4" MDF. It was at the bottom of my stack and took some shuffling to get at it.

I have cut it down to size with the circular saw and an all in 1 clamp.

I also drill and taped the vise and secured the thread rod assembly on the drill press.

I have a wedding to go to. I doubt I will have a chance to glue them up tonight.

The weather should be beautiful in the morning though. I will post update pictures once the material is all mocked up.

Thanks for the help.


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Hi Michael

I like your setup alot but I could not justify the 500.oo dollar price tag just to put in some slots, so I said ,must be a cheaper way and get it to come out with the same results

I had the mortiser from Grizzly and the cross vise I just needed a way to set it up like yours ( a poor man version ) and still get it to come out the same way..

It was a very easy setup, I just don't put in that many sq.end slots but I wanted a great way to do it, so I copied your way,,I think it only cost about 75.oo or less..

I did pickup a 1/2" x 22" long bolt that's screwed into the same place as the normal handle on the drill press,it gives me the power to go right into the hardwood stock..

Thanks for the tip

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Here is a new addition to my woodshop.
Ive had the Powermatic bench top mortiser for a few years and have cut many a mortise on it. Its a great tool, but I have been envious of the full-size mortisers with the sliding table. Even though my mortises are crisp with the machine, set-up, alignment, and moving the work piece to cut the mortises has been time consuming. Getting the perfect alignment has always taken too much time, especially when boring only a couple of mortises for a project.
Ive been thinking of installing a cross-slide vise on the mortiser for a couple of years and finally got around to it. I found a great article on popularwoodworking.com with a great solution for adding the vise.
Popular Woodworking - 3-D Mortising Upgrade

The problem with using a cross-slide vise on bench top mortisers is that the clearance below the chisel is usually 4-5 inches and these vises can range from 5 to 7 inches tall. They also are configured to clamp the work piece perpendicular to the mortiser table.
The solution is two-step:
1. Either add riser blocks to the mortiser (if available) to gain proper clearance from the chisel, or build a riser table and mount the vise.
2. Modify the cross-slide vise to orient the clamp parallel to the table.
Both of these solutions are outlined in this article (see link above).

I started by modifying the vise (Grizzly G0164, 4 vise for $45.95) so that the clamp and Y-axis threaded rods are on the same side of the vise, pointing toward the operator. The article shows you how to do this, by removing the Y-axis rod and tapping new mounting plate holes on the opposite side. It took all of about 30 minutes to do this. I also removed the original screw handles for the X/Y-axis movement and replaced them with a couple of 5/16-18 star knobs I had sitting around. The threads on the vise handles is 8 mm, slightly larger than 5/16. Since the knobs have a threaded brass insert, I just cross-threaded them on to the rod posts and the fit is tight.

To build the riser table, I used scraps of plywood and MDF for all the components. Its a very simple table to build; a few dados and glue the whole thing together. I modified the construction from the article a little. For the interior supports to bolt the mortiser to the table, I doubled each support using two pieces of plywood. I dadoed out 11/32 wide by 11/64 deep channels in the four pieces (opposite sides of two pieces for each support), in-line with the mounting holes on the base of the mortiser column, glued two matching pieces together. This gave me through bolt holes in the supports to attach the mortiser to the riser table. You could used long hex cap bolts to through bolt all the way to the bottom of the table, but I used some 5/16-18 cross dowel nuts and 3-1/2 long socket head cap screws. I think that either of these modifications from the original article will give much better holding power when securing the heavy mortiser to the table. I wouldnt trust four lag screws set into the edge of plywood to hold it in place.

After assembly, I rounded over the edges, a little sanding, and painted the table to match (close enough) the Powermatic mustard gold color. The whole system is bolted to my rolling stand.

Ive already cut a few mortises with the new rig. It took me about a quarter of the time to mount the piece, square up the chisel, set the depth and plough out the mortise. And fine-tuning is miles ahead of the old table hold-downs, which required tapping and checking each piece. Now with a slight twist of the X/Y knobs, I can line up the mortise in a couple of seconds.

I think Ill add some outfeed supports on the table for stabilizing larger pieces.

If you do a lot of mortising and only have a bench top mortiser, Im sure youll find this upgrade well worth it. And even if its only a few mortises every now and then, this project is a great addition to your tool arsenal. The vise cost me $55 (including shipping) and the bolts and nuts $5. Its a pretty cheap upgrade that has made my woodworking life a little bit easier.


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Well, I am not finished but I got most of the MDF cut to size. I mocked up the design so you could see my changes.

I doubled up the MDF like Michael did but I just made three supports. I made the first one sit right down the center line (probably the best place for maximum support for the vise and the mortiser). The outside supports were positioned to clear the x axis vise handle on the right and 1/2" of support on the left. The

I did not cut the bottom yet since it will be oversized for clamping to a mobile tool station. It will be daddoed like the tops were.

Just need some clamps, glue, paint, and some hardware.
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Looks good so far.
A couple of suggestions you might want to consider:
1. Swap the X-axis screw to the left side of the vise, if you have your mortiser plunge handle on the right side. This way you can move the workpiece in the vise and keep your right hand on the mortiser plunge handle. For me, it makes for quicker and more efficient work.
2. Can't tell from the photos, but you should have the mortiser column bolt through the supports and not just to the riser table top. My concern would be that the weight of the mortiser and the torque when mortising might pull the mounts or even the riser table out of square. You can always through bolt all the way to the base plate of the riser table with long hex bolts and T-nuts counterbored into the base plate.
3. I offset the vise relative to the centerline of the mortiser chisel, so that the X-axis movement travels less than an inch to the left and the majority of the travel is to the right. Since I start my mortises from one side (in this case being the left), I have maximum travel going to the right for larger mortises. At the end, I just reset the travel to the left and start again on th next mortise.
4. I did the same for the Y-axis travel, screwing the vise inwards until it was almost extended, and measured down from the chisel. This way, if I have thick mortises, I can just back the Y-axis screw outwards for the next row of mortising cuts.

Can't wait to see it all mounted and finished. Let us know how you like it after your first mortises.

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Well, I am not finished but I got most of the MDF cut to size. I mocked up the design so you could see my changes.

I doubled up the MDF like Michael did but I just made three supports. I made the first one sit right down the center line (probably the best place for maximum support for the vise and the mortiser). The outside supports were positioned to clear the x axis vise handle on the right and 1/2" of support on the left. The

I did not cut the bottom yet since it will be oversized for clamping to a mobile tool station. It will be daddoed like the tops were.

Just need some clamps, glue, paint, and some hardware.
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I don't know guys. Nothing against the idea, but it seems like an awful lot of trouble just to put a long hole in some wood. I think I'll stick with holding the wood with my hand against a fence.
If nothing else, it's a lot faster getting the job done.

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Looks good so far.
A couple of suggestions you might want to consider:
1. Swap the X-axis screw to the left side of the vise, if you have your mortiser plunge handle on the right side. This way you can move the workpiece in the vise and keep your right hand on the mortiser plunge handle. For me, it makes for quicker and more efficient work.
2. Can't tell from the photos, but you should have the mortiser column bolt through the supports and not just to the riser table top. My concern would be that the weight of the mortiser and the torque when mortising might pull the mounts or even the riser table out of square. You can always through bolt all the way to the base plate of the riser table with long hex bolts and T-nuts counterbored into the base plate.
3. I offset the vise relative to the centerline of the mortiser chisel, so that the X-axis movement travels less than an inch to the left and the majority of the travel is to the right. Since I start my mortises from one side (in this case being the left), I have maximum travel going to the right for larger mortises. At the end, I just reset the travel to the left and start again on th next mortise.
4. I did the same for the Y-axis travel, screwing the vise inwards until it was almost extended, and measured down from the chisel. This way, if I have thick mortises, I can just back the Y-axis screw outwards for the next row of mortising cuts.

Can't wait to see it all mounted and finished. Let us know how you like it after your first mortises.
I am noit concerned about the bolts pulling through. This thing is heavy duty. Besides, MDF does not take kindly to being screwed. Through bolts will be more reliable. And with my support right down the middle, it should have more than enought strength and suppport.

I was wondering why you switched the x axis handle. I am left handed and used to pulling the mortis handle with my left. So, my right hand is still free.

I centered the vise so that it allowed for the maximum size boards allowable for a mortise in the x and y axis. The photo shows the vise extended to its maximum in the y axis to help determine its placement.

I also brought the mortiser all the way to the edge of the top. I left out the 3/4" board that was in the plans on the vetical face to give me just that much more mortise space.

I hope to have it glued up today.


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