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Table Saw - 3 phase, 10"

I don't know the Unisaws well enough to judge. And I don't know about the fence.

What questions should I ask if it's still available?


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If you can get it for 5oo $ will be a great deal
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Hi Charlie

You can buy 3 Phase table saws for peanuts because no one wants them or to say they can't use them most big shops don't buy used 3 phase table saws the norm..more money to get them put in place than just buying a new one,at one time we would take a truck load of them to the scrap yard and sale them for scrap steel.

You can also find the static phase converter in the scrap yard cheap.
220 volt only with the Phase-O-Matic static phase converter.
Just a note the phase converters fall down all the time that why you see so many in the junk yards they work very hard and suck up the elec. power big time.
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What questions should I ask if it's still available?


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I think I have to be realistic. The base alone for a unisaw probably weighs as much as an entire contractor saw. I'd never be able to get it back to my workshop.
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Like Bobjr says, why are you even considering a 3 phase m/c?! Do you have 3ph power where you are? From your earlier comment about an earlier existence as a millwright, you're probably more than capable of converting it, but why would you want to?
That's like buying a DUKW for commuting...
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This is older but may still be available. Waiting for a response.

Table Saw - 3 phase, 10"

I don't know the Unisaws well enough to judge. And I don't know about the fence.

What questions should I ask if it's still available?


thanks
Considering that a new Delta is about $3K and Grizzly table saws start at about $1300, I'd say it's not a bad deal if everything works.

Keep in mind that with the phase converter, your 3HP motor will only deliver about 2HP and if it burns out, you'll have to replace it (for about $140+), or replace the motor (for about $300). Replacing the motor will bring it to $1000, which is still not bad for a Delta Unisaw.

Also, it's a right tilt but lots of people have them (new Delta Unisaws are now all left tilt). The fence looks like a Delta (not a Beismeyer) but they work well.

Bottom line, if all is in good working condition, I think it's a good deal. I'd buy it.

On the other hand, you could get a lot of brand new contractor saw for $700 (or less).

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Like Bobjr says, why are you even considering a 3 phase m/c?! Do you have 3ph power where you are? From your earlier comment about an earlier existence as a millwright, you're probably more than capable of converting it, but why would you want to?
That's like buying a DUKW for commuting...
It comes with the phase converter .... but seriously, I don't think I could get it back to my shop. I think I need to be looking at contractor type saws.

Anyone want to give me a crash course in Delta 10" contractor saws. There are several of them available nearby. One has a Vega Pro fence. I'm guessing that i'd still be looking at table-mounted trunnions in those. Not that they're necessarily a bad thing.

A brand new Steel City 35990 is still under consideration, but the ones with cast iron wings won't be in until the middle of next month. I could get the one with stamped steel wings for $599 locally.

Still combing craigs list though. There's a Jet JWTS 10CW2-LFR, but he wants $600 for it and that seems kinda high. I can get a new Steel City 35990CS for that much. And the Steel City has cabinet mounted trunnions.
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Don't discount a BT3000/3100 either. One of the better tablsaws Ryobi made and very accurate. I had one starting out and it was a dang good tablesaw , kinda wish I had kept it as a backup saw since it had a sliding miter table built in. There's a whole forum dedicated to it call bt3central.com that has a lot to say about it and depending on where you are they have been seen for less than $150 in good condition or even the older Ridgid 3650 is a great saw for what you can get for $200-350 nowadays.As far as the Delta's stay away from any that are not belt driven as those that are direct drive usually have crappy motors like the 36-600.There are plenty of good used tablesaws on the market nowadays so be choosy if thats the route your gonna take and look around a lot, driving 150 miles roundtrip is not unusual for a decent saw in good to excellent condition, just my 2 cents
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Delta 10" contractors table saw

Kinda higher price range for a used saw, but .... too much?

It's about an hour and a half drive one way. Excalibur fence?
Actually a bit bigger than I was after in terms of size of table area, but nobody seems to give exact model numbers when they list these. It's always just "Delta 10" contractor saw"
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If you buy it and you don't have 3 phase power in your shop you will be faced with buying a new motor and these run $400-500, or you can buy a phase converter module for about $300 to make the existing motor work on single phase home power, or you could buy a rotary phase converter for about $500 to make 3 phase power for it, or you could try to get your power company to install 3 phase power into your home shop so you can run it. This last choice will likely be very expensive, if you can even get the power company to do it. Most power companies won't provide 3 phase power in residential areas.

This is why 3 phase machines sell for so little. Most homeowners can't use them without significant additional expense. If the selling price is low enough to justify the additional work and cost, then it may be worth getting.

Now you have to decide if this saw is a good enough deal to be worth doing one of these modifications after you get it. In my opinion, there are many used single phase Unisaws in the world and you will find a good one if you are willing to wait. I bought a 1983 Unisaw for $700 that had a 50" Unifence and a single phase 3 hp motor and it was in near perfect condition. I cleaned it up, installed new belts, and it has been running fine for 4 years now. I couldn't want a better saw.

A contractors saw is a bit lighter and has a smaller motor than a Unisaw. I found on of these for my son. The motor that they come with is designed to be a 1 1/2 hp when connected to 120 volt power (to run on a 15 amp circuit), but it becomes a 2 hp motor if you switch it over and run it from 240 volt power. While they aren't a Unisaw in design, have the motor hanging out the back, and have no base cabinet, they can do precision work and are great for home shops. However, dust collection on them tends to be difficult due to the open bottom and back of the cabinet. The bottom can be closed but the back is difficult because of the belt connection to the motor and the need for it to move as you tilt the blade. The trunions are mounted to the table, so they can be tough to get right, but this is usually a one time adjustment. The original fence isn't bad, but one of the available upgrades can be better. I prefer a fence that is T-Square in design where it only attaches in the front. Unifence and Biesmeyer are a few of these and these are available from Delta. There are others too, but I'm not familiar with them.

I've owned a Ryobi BT3000 and while they are one of the best products that Ryobi has produced, I don't feel that they are anywhere near as rugged or have the quality and precision that you get from a Delta Contractors saw or a Unisaw. Stay away from brush type motor driven saws. They don't live for very long and have poor resale value. Look for a saw that is belt driven from an induction type motor.

Good luck in your search.

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