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Default Tablesaw/Router table-Kickback on camera

I suppose that this thread will be redirected to Safety but I see a little more action here and it might get a little more exposure.

Tom Hintz over on another forum posted up his kickback "test" for all to see.


New table saws are fitted with much more convenient and effective splitters/riving knives so I suspect that they will be used more frequently.

Older saws (Craig finds, etc.) may not come with these "useless" accessories, being lost or pitched into the bin long ago. Make sure that a suitable aftermarket device is available before purchasing these oldies but goodies and get both.

Be smart, be safe.

Here's the link...Kickbacks! - NewWoodworker.com LLC

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Everyone,
This is a must watch!

Like it shows in the video, you don't realize how fast things can happen.

You don't realize how much much power the workpiece has when it is thrown from the tool. I have seen a 1/4" piece of honeycomb nomex panel (fiberglass like faced panel with paper type honeycomb core) put a hole in heavy metal siding of a aircraft hanger. It was just the corner that penetrated the siding but what if it had been a person.

ALSO NOTE WHERE THE SAFETY ZONE IS !! It is not behind the the operator of the tool, so don't let anyone stand behind you when cutting. It could be one of you children or grandchildren standing there and a child would not know that something like this could happen, it's up to you to keep people out of the DANGER ZONE.

Use the safety devices on your tools, they were supplied with the tool for that reason.

Work safe, have fun, cut some wood,
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Wow!

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Tom, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for sharing this! I will never again cut without a riving knife and bladeguard on my saw. Admittedly, I have often made table saw cuts without those safety accessories, but this video really opened my eyes to what could happen. I want to tell you that this may be one of the most sincere videos that I have ever seen!
You have made a positive impression on me more than you will ever know. I would, however; offer one suggestion - the title of this thread made me think of a financial kickback on the sale of a camera. Thousands of members should be reading this thread! It is so important and you're a great teacher for showing this!

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Hi

Now this is why I push using the RAS over the table saw, you can take your hand off the stock with a RAS and it will just stay in place but I do use a small hold down device if the stock is small/short..

Many take off the safe guards because they just don't work, the 1st time you want to cut on a rabbit or use a dado blade set they are in the way not to say anything about if you want to pitch the blade over a it bit..so off they come and most of the time they don't go back in place the norm, any time you don't make a full pass over the blade the safe guards are just some junk on the take saw to get hung up on..

I use the buddies to keep the board flat down to the top and to the fence and I use them on the router table also, they only turn one way so you can't push the stock by the router bit the wrong way,you can take your hand(s) off the stock and it will stay in place you will you never have a kickback with them or to say a board taking off like rocket from the table top.

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I've been shopping for a table saw. (In case you hadn't noticed) and I've been combing craigslist for a used one that might give me more saw for my money. Virtually none of the used saws come with any of the safety guards. At least not that I've seen.

I've also been considering buying a NEW saw (Steel City 35990).

This video might have just pushed me hard in the "buy a NEW saw" direction. When I'm not making sawdust, I paint in oils, and I carve wood and stone. All of those things depend heavily on having fingers.
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I would, however; offer one suggestion - the title of this thread made me think of a financial kickback on the sale of a camera. is!
LOL, I can see some confusion about the species of kickback you mentioned.
I've just changed the title to clarify a little.

PS. Well, I thought I changed the title, guess it did'nt take on the main page.

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My wife used to stand behind me to watch, but since I told her that pieces of wood can come back at 200 km/h, she doesn't do that any more. Cool video.

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Thanks for posting. I will continue to be OCD about safety.
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I use the buddies to keep the board flat down to the top and to the fence and I use them on the router table also, they only turn one way so you can't push the stock by the router bit the wrong way,you can take your hand(s) off the stock and it will stay in place you will you never have a kickback with them or to say a board taking off like rocket from the table top.
Yep, I use similar when I go without the splitter, these aftermarket thingy's do work well. As you say, they press down and into the fence allowing for a little more accuracy along the full cut. Many a time I have left the rip "live" in place and pulled the final foot or so through,.... which I would never attempt without these devices. You can also feed stock continuously with these as long as the out feeds are pushed out of the way.


I must admit that do I try to avoid ripping short stuff like Tom shows in his demo but when I do I either go to the bandsaw or use a Grr-ripper to control the cut on the table saw.

(I rig up the same hold downs differently on my saw)
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