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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 03-08-2012, 12:25 AM Thread Starter
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Been posting a lot since I joined a week ago and hope it's not getting old for you guys to always read them. So I'm setting up shop, I quickly outgrew the two little sheds out back of my apartment house. Going to rent a friends garage that has the perfect amount of space and it's separated from the house so I don't have to worry about coming and going. It has a wood burning stove, but no AC. I've been doing a lot of research and trying to figure out what I need to get going. Here's a few things I have or am purchasing and would like your input.

First, I need a table saw. Can't afford anything too impressive. I found a guy in town that will sell me his old Craftsman 113.22411, he believes it was manufactured around 1948. He only wants $75. It's a good size with cast iron wings on both sides with the V grooves cut out on them for keeping the weight down, but despite that, this thing is a beast. Pretty similar to this one: VintageMachinery.org - Photo Index - Craftsman - 113.22411 but not nearly as pretty but has the cast iron wings on both sides. I'll post a pic here too. Do you think this is a good one to start with. I had a Bosch Contractors saw and loved it, but it's gone now and I can't afford another one. This think weighs a ton, I went to the local motor rewinding shop and was asking about maybe getting a new motor to lighten up the weight and he said it would probably cost a couple hundred dollars so that's not really worth it. Wish I could attach a under table router to it since I plan to build a horizontal table so this way I'd have both.

So other things I have are:
---Freud 8" stacking dado blade
---Plunge and fixed base router, old fixed B&D 3315 Type 2B 1.5 HP (?) router (pictured schematic), just like the old dewalt dw610 (?) but not as powerful. it doesn't have the adjustment pinion anymore and I use a c-clamp to lock it into place, so I'm trying to decide whether to wait it out till I can find another base for it on ebay, or just buy another fixed one.
---Bosch Palm Router
---A few various 1/4" shank router bits
---Old Craftsman drill press with removable drill pictured.
---A delta drum sanding kit for drill press
---Delta Mortising kit
---Kreg complete pocket hole jig set
---Both Circular and Framing saw
---Bosch orbital and sheet sander
---Makita 3 1/2" belt sander
---Oscillating multi-tool
---Bosch driver and impact 18v set
---Hitachi 1/2" hand drill
---The Porter Cable compressor and three nail gun combo
---Kobalt 10" compound sliding miter saw (may have to find a hand saw/mitrekit for more precise miters
---4 1/2" angle grinder
---Makita spade drill, high torque, low rpm
---25 gallon compressor with decent cfm output
---Small five gallon shop vac
---A number of hand planes (forgive me if I don't use the correct names) longer wooded jack plane, shorter jack plane, a few block planes and a Stanley no. 78 Duplex rabbeting plane that I haven't figured out how to use with limited time.
---Assortment of chisels, files and rasps
---Plastic and Metal sawhorses but want to build some nice adjustable ones.
---Assortment of measuring tools, squares, combo, tri and multi
---Various clamps, mostly cheap, and some small corner miter clamps (good for picture frames)

So that's the list. Some of those tools are more for carpentry/tile setting, but I just went ahead and included them.

So any help you can give me on what purchases I need to look out and save up for or build would be great. General shop set-up advise would be very much appreciated too.

Thanks for reading,
Brett
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Wow, you don't realize how long a post is till you submit it, sorry about that. I'm just excited and apprehensive about getting this going.
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Quit posting and go get the saw!

I guess it is in running order, if it is I would get it, you never know how good it will look until it is cleaned up.

Don't worry about stuff like plastic and Metal sawhorses right now you can use them until you get the tools you want

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The saw is pretty much mine. Just need to pay him and he's going to bring it to town, no fee for delivery either! It does run good. I ran a 2x4 through it, probably needs a blade, but I got a multi-purpose Freud from Lowes ready to be smacked on there. Just wish I could find a lighter motor to put on there, definitely going to need a movable stand.
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Oh, MEBCWD, I'm assuming you're saying the saw is a good idea
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In my opinion you need a table saw and you can save money with this one. Get it clean it up, take your time and make sure it is all aligned and CUT SOME WOOD.

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Isn't that the saw you're talking about in the first attached pic, Brett? Looks like it's in pretty nice shape for 3 decades! Hell of a deal for $75 delivered!! Hell; delivery costs $75...

If you`re seriously considering new motors think about at least 2HP at 240 V, regardless of what`s on there now (assuming it`s less powerful ). If the existing one`s working, and its 2 - 3HP 240V (or dual voltage), why do you want to change it...
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No, I used that as an example of the saw that is for sale, this one has been restored, not sure they even came like that. The one I'm looking at is the same model in used condition, but not bad for 60+ years old. Pretty sure the motor on there now is only the standard 3/4 HP ones that came with them stock. I'm wondering if I should look into a new motor that is both lighter and stronger. But not sure where to even look for a motor and if the added expense would make sense.

It's also a rented space and I'm not sure about setting up 240.

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Isn't that the saw you're talking about in the first attached pic, Brett? Looks like it's in pretty nice shape for 3 decades! Hell of a deal for $75 delivered!! Hell; delivery costs $75...

If you`re seriously considering new motors think about at least 2HP at 240 V, regardless of what`s on there now (assuming it`s less powerful ). If the existing one`s working, and its 2 - 3HP 240V (or dual voltage), why do you want to change it...
dan, how do you hook up a 240V motor to a 120V AC circuit? i just bought a 240V motor, and would love to use it in my garage without having to run a dedicated line to it.

brett, if it aint broke, don't fix it. same goes for the saw. just make sure it is adjusted properly and focus on more important things. sounds like you are tight on money anyway, so why spend the time and money on that right now?

to save money, i built my own grinder and am building my own band saw.

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dan, how do you hook up a 240V motor to a 120V AC circuit? i just bought a 240V motor, and would love to use it in my garage without having to run a dedicated line to it.

brett, if it aint broke, don't fix it. same goes for the saw. just make sure it is adjusted properly and focus on more important things. sounds like you are tight on money anyway, so why spend the time and money on that right now?

to save money, i built my own grinder and am building my own band saw.
... Chris, the short answer is, you can't. You can certainly run a 120V motor off a 240V cct. as long as there's a neutral wire...you do need to split the cct. by snipping the little brass 'jumpers' on the side of the receptacle. But that's not what you're asking, eh?
A 240V motor requires both phases of the cct. If it actually did run, it's performance would be pathetic (does anyone know if it will actually run?) It would also consume far more than the 15AMP cct. will allow. Some motors are dual voltage...just not at the same time!
Backing up for a moment, why can't you run a new cct. out to the workshop?
12/3/1 will give you 20Amps/240V...more than enough to run your tablesaw and dust collector at the same time. You would need to split the cct. in a little panel (4cct) giving you 1-15Amp/240V and 1-15Amp/120V ccts (the 240V cct breaker takes 2 spaces in the panel leaving you 1 spare).
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