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I'm Sean Smith. I live in Massena, New York (way north, right on the St. Lawrence River Seaway). I'm setting up a new shop and am looking for the best for money dust collection system for a new, small workshop. My projects range in size from milling enough red oak to build a couple of raised panel cabinet doors to building the 16X24 shop, where I have planed and milled a bunch of rough, dried pine for making the doors and trim. For the dust control system, I don't want to empty the bag every board, yet don't need a huge system. Galvanized or PVC duct? Best-for-money dust collection unit? Can I put the vacuum unit and bag system outside, under an eve or small roof (to cut down noise and not lose room in the shop)?

I also need a 6-in jointer and am looking for advise there.

Thanks for any advise, Sean
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Sean, welcome! There's tons of info on recent threads re dust collection. I just wanted to point out something that we overlooked in the earlier 'chats'.
Putting the collector outside is a great plan but one has to take into account that, in Winter, all the air you pull out of the shop you just paid to heat! To make matters worse, if you don't allow fresh air back into the shop (that'd be the frigid outside air) the air-pressure in the shop drops, relative to the exterior, thereby compromising the efficiency of the dust collector.
I'd love to hear how folks have got around that, up here in Winter Wonderland(?).
[Of course that doesn't really apply up here on the Sunshine Coast ]
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Haven't done it, but can you carve a 'closet' out of the shop for deadening the sound of DC in there?

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I have a 3 HP Dust Gorilla by Oneida and I think it is a good value, price/performance. Not the cheapest solution but a darned good one. Dust collection is not just a neatness issue. What are your lungs worth to you?

You could put powerful hi-capacity shop vacs on all machines and create a management nightmare of multiple canisters to empty and multiple filters to clean/replace but would not likely find it to be a good solution, even if you put cyclone separators (ala Dust Deputy) ahead of each shop vac.

I mounted my cyclone out side of my 24x36 shop but of course have the filtered air coming into the shop as otherwise it could not be heated and cooled. I made the mistake of putting the filter inside the shop which provides plenty of noise. I built a sound dampening box around the filter and now can work safely without ear protection unless using a noisy machine.

Had I to do it over again I would put the filter outside the shop with the cyclone as well. Just box the filter in and use some sound deadening baffles in the passage way carrying filtered air back inside the shop. This would make the operation of the DC system really quiet and ear safe, something many DC systems are definitely not. There are plenty of competing cyclone makers. I suggest care in comparing their claims, prices, etc. as not all specs are reported with equal care and accuracy by all makers.

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Onieda being the best next to Bill plentz, from what I have studied.... I went with "Penn Industries" there dust controllers were rated very highand the price is not going to break the bank.....Just do a little pre-planning for the hose runs and location of the collector itself.... Sounds like You are on the right track

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Haven't done it, but can you carve a 'closet' out of the shop for deadening the sound of DC in there?
Yes, absolutely but for good operation you need a large exhaust passage and for quieting it needs to be baffled and have noise absorbent materials.

I built a box around my filter (in shop) and the cyclone, motor, etc is on other side of wall in garage along with drum for collecting debris.

If I had it to do again I would put the whole thing in garage and bring air back to shop via baffled passage. this is essentially the same as building a closet.
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To choose the right dust collector for your shop, you will need to consider the air volume requirements of the tools in your shop and also the amount of static pressure*your dust collector*will have to overcome.
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