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I have a pre Vortex cone Jet dust collector. Called Jet and they are not selling the parts to make mine a Vortex collector. Tech stated that the Vortex cone was the only change between the new and mine. Have seen where a guy used a 14" Wok to convert his and it worked very well for him. I do not know if he used the 14" wok because that is all he could find or if that is the diamerter of Jet's Vortex cone. If anyone has a Vortex cone collector and would be so kind to measure the diameter and reply I would be very appreciative. Then I can purchase the needed wok or wok cover I can find of the same diameter and convert mine.
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i have read mixed reports on the vortex cone. some say it is a waste of time ,others swear by it.
personally i dont thing it adds much. i would put a pre seperater into the system. either a cyclone or a thien baffel type design.
i am in the process of building a thien baffel (done to the proper measurements) on top of a 55 gallon drum. i have a sloppely made version (made to suite the materials and drum i had on hand) ,it worked amazingly well . so well i am building one properly.

have a look at the thien seperater.

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Alan, thank you for the reply. I currently have a trash can with an aftermarket top on it and it does not work at all. Maybe I have the hoses on the wrong fittings but it just shoots the debris into the can and immediately sucks them right back out into the collector. Just thought I would install as I do not beleive it can hurt. I am going to upgrade the 2nd stage though as removal and re install of collector bag is a PITA! I will take a good look at the Thien also.
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Can you show us a photo of your setup, Laurence.

Something does not seem right????

What "aftermarket" top are you using?

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Alan, thank you for the reply. I currently have a trash can with an aftermarket top on it and it does not work at all. Maybe I have the hoses on the wrong fittings but it just shoots the debris into the can and immediately sucks them right back out into the collector. Just thought I would install as I do not beleive it can hurt. I am going to upgrade the 2nd stage though as removal and re install of collector bag is a PITA! I will take a good look at the Thien also.
Hi Laurence:

Interesting situation. Is it possible that your hoses are backwards? The draw (vacuum connection) should be in the centre and the intake (from the tool) on the edge. Next, make sure the lid is properly seated down on the garbage can. If there is even the slightest hole, the air gets redirected and the cyclone won't work. I have the LeeValley Cyclone lid and although it isn't glamorous it works and quite well.

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definetly something wrong. the hoses are probably the wrong way round. i dont think leaks would cause the bypass but it would cause loss in suction .
a pic might help.

if it is scrubbing (picking back up the seperated dust ) then you need a baffel.
there is a u tube video over on the thien forum showing a member running their dc system with no filter just to show how efficient it is.
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Thank y'all for the great input. I will check the collection connections to be sure they are on the right way. I am currently out on tour so will ck out next week when I return. I bought my collector top at Woodcraft. Plastic lid that fits on a 30gal? trash can. Thought it was a great idea, hopefully I can just switch the hoses and it will take care of the issue of the chips in the collector bag. Still want to install the cone in the DC though.
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i think the cone principle is a reaction to the baffel and seperaters . they wanted to stop people having to install something that showed the ineficiency of their(and others) dc systems.
i dont think the cone is an efficient design. some menbers over on the thien baffel website installed a baffel plate inside the dc ring adn a 2nd internal pipe up towards the filter. this replicates the preseperater after the impeller. unfortunitly the dust still has to go through the impeller (and any foreign crap that gets sucked up too) the pros of the post seperater are that there are no losses assosiated with pre seperaters.

there is nothing to be lossed from trying a wok or making a shallow cone from sheetmetal. from my limited info on dc systems i think i would make the cone leaving 1 inch and 1 eighth gap around it(from the thien site) if the dust is larger or stringy then go up to 1 1/4.
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Hi Laurence:

I'm going to have to side with Alan on this one. For the life of me I can't see how anything is going to improve the cyclonic action, especially something that will interfere with the airflow. If you chose to try it, please use the scientific principle and provide us with detailed reports before, during and after. That way we all learn ;-)

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Thanks again for the input and thoughts given this project. I will do a little more research and report back on my findings.
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