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I have waxed some oak now want to stain and poly...how should I clean and prepare properly...?
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I will be interested in seeing what others have to say on this topic.
I would tend to start with mineral spirits and paper towels. The mineral spirits will dissolve the wax; however you will need to use many towels as not to re-spread it around.
After that, the "sanding" thing is what's left. The wax has to be totally eliminated. You might also consider a gel stain in lue of a penetrating stain as you still may not get a good penetration of the stain.
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I will be interested in seeing what others have to say on this topic.
I would tend to start with mineral spirits and paper towels. The mineral spirits will dissolve the wax; however you will need to use many towels as not to re-spread it around.
After that, the "sanding" thing is what's left. The wax has to be totally eliminated. You might also consider a gel stain in lue of a penetrating stain as you still may not get a good penetration of the stain.
I imagine so, Dick...I suspect I should use something that will "evaporate" rather than thinning and sucking the wax in deeper. I didn't do the original waxing so don't know how the wood originally reacted to the wax. I can sand the heck out of it as the oak is solid and might just sand rather than thinning the wax with any solvent. Thank you for the heads up on re-spreading...
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Eventually SAND PAPER will remove anything. There are numerous wax removers in grocery stores on the cleaning aisle. Removal of crayon markings is something many parents find themselves needing to do in their clean-up efforts behind youngsters. If memory serves me correctly it can be "lifted" into cotton with an iron. Check first before you try this. Certainly sanding alone will eventually remove it. If mineral spirits dissolves wax, my tendency (if size and shape allows) would be to soak the item with the area of concern facing downward.

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"...the oak is solid and might just sand rather than thinning the wax with any solvent."

I'd be very leery of the heat generated by sanding driving the wax further into the grain. That is after all, the process for waxing x-country skiis! (Not really sanding, but close enough.)
Mohawk makes a wax remover for precisely what you're trying to accomplish.
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Eventually SAND PAPER will remove anything. There are numerous wax removers in grocery stores on the cleaning aisle. Removal of crayon markings is something many parents find themselves needing to do in their clean-up efforts behind youngsters. If memory serves me correctly it can be "lifted" into cotton with an iron. Check first before you try this. Certainly sanding alone will eventually remove it. If mineral spirits dissolves wax, my tendency (if size and shape allows) would be to soak the item with the area of concern facing downward.
Thank you, Otis...unfortunately the wood is already in place...stair tread...
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"...the oak is solid and might just sand rather than thinning the wax with any solvent."

I'd be very leery of the heat generated by sanding driving the wax further into the grain. That is after all, the process for waxing x-country skiis! (Not really sanding, but close enough.)
Mohawk makes a wax remover for precisely what you're trying to accomplish.
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Thanks, Dan...will look for the Mohawk...you've used this stuff ?
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Absolutely, Nick! I use it on vanity cabinets that need retouching. Usually the cabinets are as good as the day they were installed, but the finish has started looking pretty ratty.
I use the aerosol simply because it's so convenient. Often the owners have tried to 'improve' the appearance with oil or furniture wax; not a bad thing, but probably should have been done before the finish started deteriorating.
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I would consider trying a waterborne autobody pre paint wax and grease remover along with many rags. The recent isocyanate and now water based car paints are very particular with needing a perfectly clean surface plus the stuff is reasonably priced

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I would try scraping the wax off and then use a thinner and then sand. Scraping will remove the wax without driving it into the grain. It's time consuming and hard work but it costs almost nothing.

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