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Motor Trouble-Shooting Chart
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Caution:
*1. Disconnect power to the motor before performing service or maintenance.
*2. Discharge all capacitors before servicing motor.
*3. Always keep hands and clothing away from moving parts.
*4. Be sure required safety guards are in place before starting equipment.
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Motor fails to start upon initial installation.
Like Causes:
What To Do:
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Motor is miswired.
Verify motor is wired correctly per information supplied with the motor.
Motor damaged and rotor is striking stator.
May be able to reassemble; otherwise, motor should be replaced.
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Fan guard bent and contacting fan.
Replace fan guard or, if possible, straighten it out.
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Motor has been running, then fails to start.
Like Causes:
What To Do:

Fuse or circuit breaker tripped.
Replace fuse or reset the breaker.
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Stator is shorted or went to ground.
Motor will make a humming noise and the circuit breaker or fuse will trip. Disassemble motor and inspect windings and internal connections. A blown stator will show a burn mark. Motor must be replaced or the stator rewound.
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Motor overloaded or load jammed.
Inspect to see that the load is free. Verify amp draw of motor versus nameplate rating.
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Capacitor (on single phase motor) may have failed.
First discharge capacitor. To check capacitor, set volt-ohm meter to RX100 scale and touch its probes to capacitor terminals. If capacitor is OK, needle will jump to zero ohms, and drift back to high. Steady zero ohms indicates a short circuit; steady high ohms indicates an open circuit.
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Starting switch has failed.
Disassemble motor and inspect both the centrifugal and stationary switches. The weights of the centrifugal switch should move in and out freely. Make sure that the switch is not loose on the shaft. Inspect contacts and connections on the stationary switch. Replace switch if the contacts are burned or pitted.

Motor runs but dies down.
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What To Do:
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Voltage drop.
If voltage is less than 10% of the motorís rating contact power company or check if some other equipment is taking power away from the motor.* If motor is run using an extension cord, verify that this extension cord is properly sized for motor's current draw.
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Load increased.
Verify the load has not changed. Verify equipment hasnít got tighter. If fan application verify the air flow hasnít changed.

Motor takes too long to accelerate.
Like Causes:
What To Do:
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Defective capacitor
Test capacitor per previous instructions.
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Faulty stationary switch.
Inspect switch contacts and connections. Verify that switch reeds have some spring in them.
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Bad bearings.
Noisy or rough feeling bearings should be replaced.
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Voltage too low.
Make sure that the voltage is within 10% of the motorís nameplate rating. If not, contact power company or check if some other equipment is taking power away from the motor.

Motor runs in the wrong direction.
Like Causes:
What To Do:
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Incorrect wiring.
Rewire motor according to wiring schematic provided.
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Motor overload protector continually trips.
Like Causes:
What To Do:
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Load too high.
Verify that the load is not jammed. If motor is a replacement, verify that the rating is the same as the old motor. If previous motor was a special design, a stock motor may not be able to duplicate the performance. Remove the load from the motor and inspect the amp draw of the motor unloaded. It should be less than the full load rating stamped on the nameplate.
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Ambient temperature too high.
Verify that the motor is getting enough air for proper cooling. Most motors are designed to run in an ambient temperature of less than 40įC. (Note: A properly operating motor may be hot to the touch.)
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Protector may be defective.
Replace the motorís protector with a new one of the same rating.
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Winding shorted or grounded.
Inspect stator for defects, or loose or cut wires that may cause it to go to ground.

Motor vibrates.
Like Causes:
What To Do:
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Motor misaligned to load.
Realign load.
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Load out of balance.
(Direct drive application.)
Remove motor from load and inspect motor by itself. Verify that motor shaft is not bent. Rule of thumb is .001" runout per every inch of shaft length.
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Motor bearings defective.
Test motor by itself. If bearings are bad, you will hear noise or feel roughness. Replace bearings. Add oil if a sleeve of bearing. Add grease if bearings have grease fittings.
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Rotor out of balance.
Inspect motor by itself with no load attached. If it feels rough and vibrates but the bearings are good, it may be that the rotor was improperly balanced at the factory. Rotor must be replaced or rebalanced.
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Motor may have too much endplay.
With the motor disconnected from power turned shaft. It should move but with some resistance. If the shaft moves in and out too freely, this may indicate a preload problem and the bearings may need additional shimming.
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Winding may be defective.
Test winding for shorted or open circuits. The amps may also be high. Replace motor or have stator rewound.

Bearings continuously fail.
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What To Do:
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Load to motor may be excessive or unbalanced.
Besides checking load, also inspect drive belt tension to ensure itís not too tight may be too high. An unbalanced load will also cause the bearings to fail.
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High ambient temperature.
If the motor is used in a high ambient, a different type of bearing grease may be required.You may need to consult the factory or a bearing distributor.
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The motor, at start up, makes a loud rubbing or grinding noise.
Like Causes:
What To Do:
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Rotor may be striking stator.
Ensure that motor was not damaged in shipment. Frame damage may not be repairable. If you cannot see physical damage, inspect the motorís rotor and stator for strike marks. If signs of rubbing are present, the motor should be replaced. Sometimes simply disassembling and reassembling motor eliminates rubbing. Endbells are also sometimes knocked out of alignment during transportation.

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Start capacitors continuously fail.
Like Causes:
What To Do:
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The motor is not coming up to speed quickly enough.
Motor may not be sized properly. Verify how long the motor takes to come up to speed. Most single phase capacitor start motors should come up to speed within three seconds. Otherwise the capacitors may fail.
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The motor is being cycled too frequently.
Verify duty cycle. Capacitor manufacturers recommend no more than 20, three second starts per hour. Install capacitor with higher voltage rating, or add bleed resistor to the capacitor.
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Voltage to motor is too low.
Verify that voltage to the motor is within 10% of the nameplate value. If the motor is rated 208-230V, the deviation must be calculated from 230V.
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Starting switch may be defective, preventing the motor from coming out of start winding.
Replace switch.

Run capacitor fail.
Like Causes:
What To Do:

Ambient temperature too high. Verify that ambient does not exceed motorís nameplate value.
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Possible power surge to motor, caused by lightning strike or other high ransient voltage.
If a common problem, install surge protector.
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1. Look at the label on the electric motor to determine the voltage it needs to operate. Make a note of the voltage.
2. Find the two small metal terminals on the electric motor. They are near the back and have two colored wires; usually red and black, attached to them.
3. Turn on the power unit that supplies electricity to the electric motor. You need to check if electricity is getting to the motor.
4. Turn on the multimeter. Ensure it is set to measure volts as multimeters. It can also measure amperes and ohms.
5. Place the copper sensors running from the multimeter onto the metal terminals on the small electric motor. The sensor on the end of the red wire from the multimeter touches the terminal that has a red wire attached. The sensor on the end of the black wire from the meter touches the terminal that has a black wire attached. Ensure you donít touch the outer casing of the electric motor, as you may get a false reading.
6. Check the multimeter measurement. It measures the same, or similar, to the voltage you noted from the label on the electric motor if power is reaching the motor. If you have a reading and your motor isnít operating, itís certain the motor is the problem and needs replacing. If you donít get a measurement, then it means power isnít reaching the motor, so it may not be the motor thatís faulty.
7. Check the power source. Locate the two terminals and place the sensors from the end of the multimeter wires onto the two terminals as before: red on the terminal that has the red wire attached and black on the terminal that has the black wire attached.
8. Read the multimeter display. It reads the same or similar voltage as you noted earlier if the power source is producing electricity. If you get a reading, then you know that the wiring is faulty because youíve already found that electricity isnít reaching the motor. You need to replace the wiring before your motor will work. If you donít get a reading, or the reading is very low, you have a problem with the power source rather than the motor.

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MAINTENANCE OF AC MOTORS
The inspection and maintenance of ac motors is very simple. The bearings may or may not need frequent lubrication. If they are the sealed type, lubricated at the factory, they require no further attention. Be sure the coils are kept dry and free from oil or other abuse.
The temperature of a motor is usually its only limiting operating factor. A good rule of thumb is that a temperature too hot for the hand is too high for safety.
Next to the temperature, the sound of a motor or generator is the best trouble indicator. When operating properly, it should hum evenly. If it is overloaded it will "grunt." A three phase motor with one lead disconnected will refuse to turn and will "growl." A knocking sound generally indicates a loose armature coil, a shaft out of alignment, or armature dragging because of worn bearings.
The inspection and maintenance of all ac motors should be performed in accordance with the applicable manufacturer's instructions.
Troubleshooting
The following troubleshooting procedures are not applicable to a particular ac motor, but are included as examples of the general troubleshooting procedures provided by various manufacturers of ac motors.
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TROUBLE: Motor speed slow.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: No lubrication. Applied voltage low. Motor wiring defective.
CORRECTION: Lubricate as necessary. Check motor source voltage. Perform voltage continuity test of motor wiring.
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TROUBLE: Motor speed fast.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Excessive supply voltage. Motor field windings shorted.
CORRECTION: Check and adjust level of motor supply voltage. Repair shorted windings or replace or overhaul motor.
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TROUBLE: Motor will not operate. No voltage applied to motor.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Loose or broken wiring inside motor.
CORRECTION: Perform continuity test of motor circuit.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Defective motor switch.
CORRECTION: Check switch and switch wiring using a continuity tester.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Armature or field winding open circuited.
CORRECTION: Repair open winding or replace motor.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Brushes worn excessively.
CORRECTION: Replace brushes.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Brush springs broken or too weak.
CORRECTION: Replace brush springs.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Brushes sticking in brush holders.
CORRECTION: Replace or clean and adjust brushes.
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TROUBLE: Motor vibrates.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Loose or broken motor mountings.
CORRECTION: Repair or replace motor mountings.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Motor shaft bent.
CORRECTION: Replace shaft or overhaul or replace motor.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Motor bearings worn excessively.
CORRECTION: Replace bearings or overhaul motor.
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TROUBLE: Motor arcing excessively at brushes.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Brushes worn excessively.
CORRECTION: Replace brushes.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Brush springs weak.
CORRECTION: Replace brush springs.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Brushes sticking in holders.
CORRECTION: Replace or clean brushes.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Brushes incorrectly located.
CORRECTION: Position brushes properly.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Commutator dirty or excessively worn or pitted.
CORRECTION: Clean or repair commutator as necessary.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Open circuited armature coil.
CORRECTION: Repair open circuit or overhaul or replace motor.
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TROUBLE: Motor runs but overheats.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Motor bearings improperly lubricated.
CORRECTION: Lubricate bearings.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Excessive applied voltage.
CORRECTION: Check voltage and adjust to proper level.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Field windings short circuited.
CORRECTION: Repair short circuit or overhaul or replace.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Excessive brush arcing.
CORRECTION: Replace and adjust brushes.
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TROUBLE: Motor will not operate but draws high current.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Shorted circuit to motor.
CORRECTION: Locate and repair short circuit.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Open field winding in shunt motor.
CORRECTION: Repair or overhaul or replace motor.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Motor internal circuit shorted.
CORRECTION: Repair short circuit or overhaul or replace motor.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Mechanical stoppage.
CORRECTION: Check for seized motor bearings or binding of mechanism driven by motor. Repair or replace seized components.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: Excessive load on motor.
CORRECTION: Reduce load or install motor capable of carrying greater load.

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Default Grizzly 1023rlw motor won't start

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I have a Grizzly 1023rlw table saw and I'm having trouble with it starting. At first the saw would not shut off and I had to unplug it from the outlet. After a few day the saw will not come on at all. I have changed the magnetic switch and the start stop switch outside the saw. I am getting power to the switch and the magnetic switch. Not to the motor. When I manually push the magnetic switch I get power to the motor but nothing happens. No click or humm. I checked the capacitor and it seems to be ok. I wired direct to the motor and when the breaker is turned on the motor starts. I'm really stumped on this one. Any suggestions? Thanks.

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