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O.K. for the fifth time I am going to attempt to start this new thread, in the past, each time that I have almost completed it every thing has just gone away.

So here we go again. I must assume that the readed has read the first thread that I am referring to that is being modified.

What if you simple run the sub fence through the blade without attempting to cross cut a work piece. After this is done the distance from the cut in the sub fence and the right end of the sub fence is the distance or the length that you want to cross cut the narrow work piece in question.

After the cut in the sub fence is done, simply push the fence back to the right and out of the way. Now, if you simple lay the workpiec that you want to cut against the sub fence so that the right end of the workpiece matchs the end of the sub fence you can make the cut letting the sub fence be what is used to determine the length of the part that you are trying to cut off. Now there is no way for the piece to be trapped between the blade and the fence since the fence has been moved out of the way. To me the advantage is that I can still use the scale on the system to set the length of the cut off piece without having to compensate for a sub fence attached to the TS fence or a block, that is set between the fence and the end of the workpiece that the piece is being cut from. If this is not clear, let me know and I will try to clearify it, and if you do understand, tell me what you think.

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Hi Jerry,
Point me to the first thread, and I'll try to figure out what you mean.
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What if you simple run the sub fence through the blade without attempting to cross cut a work piece.

After this is done the distance from the cut in the sub fence and the right end of the sub fence is the distance or the length that you want to cross cut the narrow work piece in question.

After the cut in the sub fence is done, simply push the fence back to the right and out of the way.

Now, if you simple lay the workpiece that you want to cut against the sub fence so that the right end of the workpiece matchs the end of the sub fence you can make the cut letting the sub fence be what is used to determine the length of the part that you are trying to cut off.

Now there is no way for the piece to be trapped between the blade and the fence since the fence has been moved out of the way.

To me the advantage is that I can still use the scale on the system to set the length of the cut off piece without having to compensate for a sub fence attached to the TS fence or a block, that is set between the fence and the end of the workpiece that the piece is being cut from.

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Still trying to visualize your approach. So far, I'm not sure if the sub-fence is only partially cut or cut off.
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I found your other post. The position of the block of wood as you presented it, looks uncertain as to what it can do with the blade, and over the top dangerous...
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Still trying to visualize your approach. So far, I'm not sure if the sub-fence isns only partially cut or cut off.
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Mark, I will try again, once again I lost the first answer to your inwuiry, don't know why, it is sure getting frustrating to work on this forum when I keep losing the text.

No you do not cut clear through SF. It must be taller than the height of the blade but since it was cut using the TS fence in place, the distance from the cut to the fence is that of what you want to cut your work piect to be. Lets say for the sake of the description that you are wanting to cut off is a three inch piece off off the end of a 12 inch piece of stock. After the non cut through cut has been made into SF the distance between the cut and the TS fence is three inches. Now with the fence moved out of the way the 12 inch piece of stock can be laid against the SF with the right end of it matched to the right end end of the SF so now the piece of stock is set up in relationship of the blade to be cut off at three inches and it will not get trapped since the TS fence has been moved out of the way. Do you understand now Mark?

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Mark, I will try again, once again I lost the first answer to your inwuiry, don't know why, it is sure getting frustrating to work on this forum when I keep losing the text.
Jerry, just a little tip. To keep from loosing what you have typed try typing your message in a word processor (note pad) first. Copy to the clipboard and then paste the message into your post/reply.

No you do not cut clear through SF. It must be taller than the height of the blade but since it was cut using the TS fence in place, the distance from the cut to the fence is that of what you want to cut your work piect to be. Lets say for the sake of the description that you are wanting to cut off is a three inch piece off off the end of a 12 inch piece of stock. After the non cut through cut has been made into SF the distance between the cut and the TS fence is three inches. Now with the fence moved out of the way the 12 inch piece of stock can be laid against the SF with the right end of it matched to the right end end of the SF so now the piece of stock is set up in relationship of the blade to be cut off at three inches and it will not get trapped since the TS fence has been moved out of the way. Do you understand now Mark?

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You are indeed trying to re-invent the wheel. Why not just use an adjustable stop (clamp of some kind) on the extended miter fence instead of the saw fence? Simply measure from the cut on your miter fence to the length you want to cut and place a stop there.

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You are indeed trying to re-invent the wheel. Why not just use an adjustable stop (clamp of some kind) on the extended miter fence instead of the saw fence? Simply measure from the cut on your miter fence to the length you want to cut and place a stop there.
I suppose that the best answer to your question is that I paid $500 for the Incra TS LS system so that I wouldn't have to use a tape measure. As to trying to re-invent the wheel, if somebody didn't try to do that in other undertaking we would still be using spears and arrow to hunt with. Progress is made by thinking of new ideas, of course not all new ideas are good ones. Personally I like this one but that doesn't mean it is good for anybody else. Seems as though anytime I stray from the traditional ways of doing things I sure get a lot of negative posts to my thread . granted moat of them are legit and have to do with my safety, but oh well, what the heck.'.... I must live in a different world than most members. It's time to forget this forum and go on with my experimenting and learning on my own and stop looking like a bafoon.

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Seems as though anytime I stray from the traditional ways of doing things I sure get a lot of negative posts to my thread . granted moat of them are legit and have to do with my safety, but oh well, what the heck.'.... I must live in a different world than most members. It's time to forget this forum and go on with my experimenting and learning on my own.
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Jerry,
Don't give up on this forum.
True, there are some bean counters and mother hens always around.
There are however in this forum, some very knowledgeable workers of wood from all over the world, and problems get solved pretty fast.
You will have to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.
I subscribe to other wood forums, and the professionals on those forums do a good job of sharing information and ideas, while still playing nice.
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Jerry, the thing that I have seen from you is you ask questions! That's remarkable! Just to let you know there are many people out there that only discover the correct way by reading the answer to OTHERS questions! I admire someone that questions everything, it shows a thirst for knowledge. That being said your using the table saw fence for setting up the auxillary fence on your Miter Fence is sound. The auxillary fence should be long enough to push the cut off completely past the blade...But the cut off should never be trapped between the blade and the tablesaw fence, so slide the fence to provide plenty of clearance so that can't happen. Also be aware that the cut off piece can still be propelled if it is not clamped to the auxillary fence. Don't use you fingers closer than about 3" from the blade. The safer way would be to use a stop block on the miter fence with the block accurately set to the finish cut size and using a auxillary fence to minimize tearout. I know where you are going...I find the scales hard to read and try to find a faster way BUT the safer way can be more predictable. using the miter fence at an angle (even a slight angle) can work like a snowplow it can push the cut off either toward or away from a rotating blade due to vibration.
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Jerry,

No need to leave the forum. I learned long ago that one needs to have a fairly thick skin to belong to just about any forum. It's very easy sit in front of a computer screen and say things and make suggestions, that they would not say to another persons face. However, I haven't seen that in this case. Most everyone has pointed out that what you are trying to do is very dangerous, and no one wants to see anyone get hurt.
Having said that, You are making this waaay more complicated than it needs to be. Plus, your Incra fence was not designed for your intended purpose.

Good luck in your quest. Hope you hang around.

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