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Was thinking about one of what I suspect might be a distinct difference between those guys like, Mike, Harry, James, Otis, to name only a very few of the many talented members of this forum that really know their way around the woodworking shop, and members like myself that though may not be really be new to the craft but are sill in the learning stage might go something like this. The experienced person needs to execute a certain rather complicated procedure, he or she has done it many times and knows how to to the procedure. After the process is completely to perfection the experience woodworker looks at the finished issue and says "Ah yes, just right" and goes on with his project.

The woodworking like myself who is still learning and sees a need for the same procedure alluded to above but has never done it before but gives it a try and it goes well, he or she says "Oh yes!, I like that" The difference is between the feelings, the expert has the feeling of conficence, the beginner has the feeling of elation that goes only with that of having learning something new and the realization that he or she has gained some new and exciting knowledge. That feeling only exists during the learning stage and is so much part of the joy of learning about the craft and will, hopefully be replaced in time with the confidence that the experts experience as they go about making all that sawdust. In my case, I'm still in that learning group and am loving it.

If you have taken time to read this, thanks for putting up with my attempt to share some the things that find myself thinking about these days.

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I read it. And, like you said, your thoughts. I can't really agree with much of it.

I am not experienced in a lot of things - but still have confidence I can do them.
I have experience in a lot of things - but still lack confidence I will do them right.
And a lot of times with things that I have both experience and confidence in, I finish, look at the results, and say, "Well, close enough for government work", and move on. And I learn new stuff all the time.

You used 'experienced' and 'expert' interchangeably, they're not the same.

I do woodworking for a myrid of reasons. Among them, it's fun, it's relaxing, it's fun, and sometimes just to smell the sawdust.

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I read it. And, like you said, your thoughts. I can't really agree with much of it.

I am not experienced in a lot of things - but still have confidence I can do them.
I have experience in a lot of things - but still lack confidence I will do them right.
And a lot of times with things that I have both experience and confidence in, I finish, look at the results, and say, "Well, close enough for government work", and move on. And I learn new stuff all the time.

You used 'experienced' and 'expert' interchangeably, they're not the same.

I do woodworking for a myrid of reasons. Among them, it's fun, it's relaxing, it's fun, and sometimes just to smell the sawdust.
Theo, sorry that I got my grammer incorrect, but I suspect that you got the jist of what I was alluding to. I know that part of if not most of the enjoyment that I get from woodworking is the challenge of attemping something that I have not done before and did not turn out right the first time, but after some thought and a few more attempts, finally getting it done to my satisfaction is what I am talking about . I feel pretty sure that this description of what I am talking about is not unique to me huh.....

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Jerry, let me tell you I get the exact same feeling of elation that you do when a project turns out right, I think everyone does. I make mistakes and slap my forehead just like you do. I am an intermediate skill level woodworker and there are many things I have not tried yet. Woodworking is a daily challenge for everyone; I know I learn new things every time I go into the shop or come on the forums. I look at projects by others and think: Wow, I wish I had their talent. We are all our own worst critics.

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Jerry, let me tell you I get the exact same feeling of elation that you do when a project turns out right, I think everyone does. I make mistakes and slap my forehead just like you do. I am an intermediate skill level woodworker and there are many things I have not tried yet. Woodworking is a daily challenge for everyone; I know I learn new things every time I go into the shop or come on the forums. I look at projects by others and think: Wow, I wish I had their talent. We are all our own worst critics.
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I hear what you are saying, but in my case anyway, I'm of the opinion that you have forgotten more about woodworking than I will ever know, but the fact is, I do doubt if you get anymore enjoyment from you woodworking than I do, so as you are saying, we all have fun with our shop time, regardless of the level of expertise, and thet's the good part of all of this back and forth in my humble opinion.

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This is why I encourage members to find other woodworkers in their area. We always have a great time when we get together. I will let you in on a secret: The bucket in this photo is really empty. From left to right are Neil,(Oldnewbie) BrianS and AxlMyk.
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The bucket in this photo is really empty.
Is that Mike's bucket list?

On the thread- Bahahaha! (I can't compose myself.)

Been exposed to allot. Both relieved and ecstatic when things come together and workout, especially a big project. You would think me being a Master Carpenter would be like mechanic and his car, but I love wood and woodworking. It keep's me sane.

Wait, I'm still a little crazy? Maybe it helps. Well it makes me feel good, relax and have fun. And I still learn about more each day.

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Mike,
the hand full of woodworkers that I have met in my area have been very snotty, wouldn't help you across the street. the 4 that I did meet seems to me have no interest in meeting other woodworkers. The woodworking club in my area meets on Tuesdays at 10:00am (really really??) most people work Mon thru Fri 9-5? It's one hot mess in south Florida, I have begged on Craigslist to meet new woodworkers, not one response. Oh well back to YouTube to keep teaching myself how to be a woodworker lol..oh made these key chains tonight, how you guys cut with flat skip tooth blades is unreal, I just cant master it. gotta go back to the spirals
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Stan, one of our new members mentioned that he started a club in Florida, scan the introductions for it. It could be in your area.

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