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I'm looking for someone who has a "Mini Fence" by Kyrmi Corp that was sold at "The Woodworking Shows" in the early to mid 90's. It is a black plastic jig with a white plastic strip insert that you mount on a table saw to allow you to cut small box joints and to make inlay strips from multi-color wood. I need a copy of the manual for it, but would consider buying the whole jig from you if you have one to sell. There is a video of this jig on Youtube under "The Original Mini Fence" but this is all that I have managed to find for it. Mr Krymi stopped participating in the shows in the mid 1990's and his company no longer exists. If you can help, please send me a PM.

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Charley, I doubt you will get a response to this. Woodsmith sells plans for a box joint jig of this type but the best design is from Oak Park and for use on your router table. MLCS and Peachtree sell this style of jig and you can also make angled cuts with them by using an angled push block.

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Kyrmi Inc., Eckert, CO., xxx-xxx-xxxx <edited out>‎

You could try to call... but the info I get is that the owner is 79 years old? Don't know if that is accurate or how current...

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MAFoElffen, I think the inventor ( Mr Kyrmi?) was 76 when I met him back in 1994, so he would be about 96 now, if he's still alive. He was the same person who demonstrates the jig in the Youtube video of The Mini Fence. At the time that I met him he told me that he was finally retiring at the end of the show season that year.

A reverse look up of the phone number on his literature comes up with an entirely different company name and location. The phone number that you supplied is a residence that belongs to a Mr and Mrs Seels so I've decided to hold off calling it for now.

Mike, the Woodsmith, I-Box, and other box joint jigs that are on the market don't make box joints as small as the Mini Fence can, which can make joints with kerfs as small as the narrowest kerf (1/16") 10" table saw blade. These other jigs seem to all be limited to 1/4" for their narrowest kerf width, except for the I-Box jig, which bottoms out at about 1/8" and is the closest in minimum kerf capability to the Kyrmi jig that I've found. I already own an I-box jig and use it for most of the box joints that I make, but I prefer the Kyrmi jig when doing the very small box joints because of it's narrow kerf capability.

Again, all I really need is a copy of the manual for the Kyrmi jig (don't know where mine went), but if someone has a complete working jig with the manual and wants to sell it I would consider buying it from them. It only sold for $49 back in 1994.

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I have never seen it, heard of it, nor know anything about it...

All I found was a company listing of Kryrmi Plastics aliased as Krymi inc, that held some trademarks for some woodworking jigs. Other than that, nothing. No disrespect meant by that. Was just trying to help or come up wit ideas.

It is really sad about things like that. There have been some products in the past that were fantastic... well thought out and worked... Were well before their time. But just not well known. And went away when their originators retired. Woodworking jigs are just some of those. Reminds me of the Maxim Tool System, JoinTech and the products from Oak Park...

Do you have a picture you could share of this? I am curious to see it.

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Mike, I very much appreciate your help. I also found the listings that you found, but very little else. He had told me that he was retiring at the end of the season when I bought the jig from him and I never saw him again after that, although I attended the woodworking shows every year. He and his jig disappeared from the shows.

Since I can't find my manual, or even all of the parts of my Mini Fence, all I have to show is a one page sales/ordering brochure for the Mini Fence. You can go to Youtube THE ORIGINAL MINI FENCE - YouTube and watch the video called "The Original Mini Fence" to learn more about it. Although not a professionally made video by today's standards, it does a good job of demonstrating the Mini Fence and it's capabilities. The gentleman in the video was also the inventor of the jig and the one that sold the jig to me.

I've used my Mini Fence to make some very small decorative boxes and inlays, but not in about the past 10 years or so. Now I want to do it again and I can only find part of the jig and no manual. I probably still have these some place, but I have moved and cleaned/reorganized my shop several times since then and I have no idea where they have gone. I'm usually very careful about keeping jigs/parts together, so I have no idea how this jig got scattered/lost.

It's not very hard to make a small box joint jig, but getting it to perform well is a bit tricky. The Mini Fence was easy to set up and use, and the manual provided great tips on making decorative inlays. The only problem that I had with it was using it on my Unisaw. On a Unisaw the blade is farther back from the front edge of the saw. This is usually very desirable in a table saw, but it causes you have to lean over the saw quite far to see and position the work in this jig. A smaller, lower powered table saw with the blade closer to the front of the saw table would be a better choice for using this jig.

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Mike,

Have you watched the video yet? I would really like to know what you think of it.

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Have you watched the video yet? I would really like to know what you think of it.

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I loved the video. I can see where there was a lot of thought put into that to make that easy to set up.

I also see that (since it isn't available any more) that it could be a DIY project worth making. Just trying to figure out how I could attach something to my sliding table or to one of my cross-cut fences. My new saw doesn't have miter slots, but has slots in the sliding table.

Darn it Charley. Now you have me making plans.

Thanks for sharing that.

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Mike,

The plastic Mini Fence jig is almost toy quality and quite delicate. A jig made from wood with a plastic strip would likely last forever. I'm also considering making a jig to replace my Mini Fence jig. There are 2 slots for the fence strip in the original jig, one on each side of the saw blade. This is to allow you to be able to index the work in either direction past the blade by moving the fence strip to the other side of the blade. Only one slot is really needed. The moving section of the table part of the jig allows you to position the fence strip for making inserts in the center of mitered corners (see video). Wood spacers are used to get the cuts in the correct position. Only the first cut is made, then the fence strip is moved back to it's original position to make the follow on cuts. In my opinion, this movable base section isn't really needed, unless you plan to use the jig a lot for this purpose.

Can you lock your sliding table? Then you could use the miter slot to mount the jig. You could also drill and tap 2 holes in your saw table (you probably don't want to do this). The jig can be made mirror image to the one in the video and it will work the same, but you will index your work across the jig in the opposite direction. It always needs to go past the saw blade and toward the fence strip.

The strip that forms the working part of the Mini Fence needs to be narrower than your saw blade kerf, at least where it is above the base, and the ends of it are longer to keep it from sliding out of the slot while in use. If you look very closely in the video you will see this. When you use the jig you have to always position your work against this strip as you feed the work into the saw blade. The space from this side of the strip to the blade and the width of the saw blade kerf have to be exactly the same dimension for the jig to work properly. If there is any run-out in your blade you will have difficulty getting this fence to blade spacing correct. Once you get it right the first time, make a setup block, like in the video, so you can put it over the fence strip and then butt the blade against it, while you lock the jig in position on the saw. It will make life so much easier. The video makes this jig positioning part look way too easy. It will take many attempts to get it right the first time. It will be much easier after you have made the setup block, but if you use different blades with the jig you will need to make a setup block for each blade.

To make boxes with greater than 4 sides you will need to tilt the work back as you slide it over the saw blade. The original jig has wedges made from wood that are used to replace the wood fence on the miter gauge to make doing this much easier. The wedge shaped fence needs to be cut to match 1/2 the angle of the joint and it replaces the flat board on the miter fence. On the first use you will need a slot cut through it to clear the fence strip. I usually just mark where it will be and cut the slot before installing and using this new wedge on the jig the first time.

This is a fun jig to use. I hope others beside the two of us get inspired to make these jigs. But a router isn't required until you make inlay strips with the jig. Then you need a router to make the recess that you will glue the inlay strips into, so routers do eventually get used here :~).

To make inlays with the jig you simply make many finger cuts through a piece of wood, then cut these fingers off to make small square strips. You then make another similar strip of contrasting wood with shallow fingers. Then insert and glue the square strips into the saw cuts of this contrasting strip. Once these strips are assembled you can get creative, slicing them cross grain or diagonal and gluing them together to make miniature checkerboard or Indian art style inlays, or cut the checkerboards into squares and insert them turned at 45 deg angles into inlay strips, etc. Your imagination and time are the only limits once you start doing this. I use white glue when making these inlays. It dries transparent and seems more than adequate in strength for making inlay strips. Waxed paper above and below the inlay strips keeps them flat and from sticking to the bench and counterweights while the glue dries.You want the inlay strips to be just slightly proud of your work surface when installed, so you can sand them level and smooth.

The attached is all I have of the Kyrmi Mini Fence documentation. It is 20 years old, so please don't anyone try to order from it. I have posted it for "information only".

Charley
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Mike,

I've started building the Mini Fence from wood. Have you tried building one yet?

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