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I have to make a standalone kitchen cupboard which will support a Belfast, so I decided a face frame would help. Of course they are rare this side of the Atlantic so I wonder if someone would like to suggest dimensions for the face frame? I'm going to use 18mm Baltic Birch for the box. The cupboard is only 1metre wide. Thanks in advance.
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Face frames here in the US tend to be made out of 18mm (3/4") stock and about 38mm (1 1/2") wide. Width can vary based on your needs. The bottom rail may be a little wider than the others just for aesthetics. So ... what is a Belfast (other than the obvious)?

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I made a cabinet to store VHS tapes the wife has acquired through the years (and won't get rid of them). It is about 30 inches wide and maybe 42 inches tall.
I made a face frame that is 1 1/2 inches wide. It is glued to the sides top and bottom. I also used a few pocket screws underneath to secure the frame to the bottom. Same for the false top. The top was attached with screws up from underneath.

It has worked out nicely.
Hope this helps.

For a one meter width, you might consider 1 3/4 or even 2 inches wide.

Good luck. Post some pics when you get time.
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I am curious about the belfast too. I could only find the one, expected definition.

A metre is generally too wide for a single door so you will likely want and need to split the gap in two. The center stile should be 2" if the sides are 1 1/2 ". A 3/8" over lap leaves a 1 1/4 " reveal on all sides then. In metric that's 51mm, 38mm, 10mm, and 32mm rounded off. You may want to make the top and bottom members wider as this will strengthen the box some.

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Oh sorry. It's also sometimes called a butler, which is similar but different. A Belfast is rectangular heavy old fashioned sink. For washing up and peeling spuds in but big enough to bathe a baby. Dunno why it's called that - maybe they were made there.

Thanks for the dimensions... More or less what I thought but you never know. At least you can imagine why I am considering a frame on an 18mm ply cupboard!
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You'll need to find the right hinges for the face frame. There are some euro style hinges that are available here for face frame doors. The hinges that were used before they came along are like these from Amerock. | Hinges | Amerock Express

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Oh sorry. It's also sometimes called a butler, which is similar but different. A Belfast is rectangular heavy old fashioned sink. For washing up and peeling spuds in but big enough to bathe a baby. Dunno why it's called that - maybe they were made there.

Thanks for the dimensions... More or less what I thought but you never know. At least you can imagine why I am considering a frame on an 18mm ply cupboard!
Do you have a design or drawing or picture of what you are building? Most of my projects start as a sketch, or a picture found on the internet.

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Yes but it's a scrubby little drawing. I'm not going to embarrass myself by posting it here. Thanks for replies. I feel like I'm on solid ground now.
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VHS tapes , what the heck are those?

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VHS tapes , what the heck are those?
They're the things that are stored between the 8 track audio tapes and the photograph albums.

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