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Understanding Price Quote Of Timber Yard

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#1 ·
Hi,
I've asked a timber merchant for their price on timber. They came back to me with £1096.00 per m3. I don't really understand terms like running metre or board feet etc.
How do I work out what six boards, 30cm wide x 5cm thick by 2.5m long would cost me?
Thanks.
 
#2 · (Edited)
length (2.5M) times width (1.8M) times thickness (.05M) = your cubic meter measure...

30x6 = 180CM or 1.8M total width of the 6 boards laid side by side....
1.8x2.5 = 4.5² or 4.5M square...
5CM thick is .05M...
.05x4.5 = .225M³...

£1096x.225 = £246.60
 
#26 ·
OK nice and clear thanks. The timber is American Lime to practice my woodcarving. I ordered 6 boards a year ago, seem to recollect was £106. Yard cut boards in half and I put them in the back of the car. When I contacted the yard who gave me the price and volume I mentioned. He said had found my original order, was afraid the price had gone up a couple of times since last year. The price he gave is an increase of 100% +.
Also in the UK we have a tax called vat, so another 20% on top of that.
I wonder what warrants a price increase of + 100%?
 
#3 ·
This has been a mystery to me. I think what Stick is saying is that you buy wood by the cubic inch (or cm). Is that correct? So a board foot would equal 12x12x1 inches, or 144 cubic inches? Is that correct?
 
#5 ·
That is correct for a board foot. Some rough sawn boards are also still measured by quarters so a 10/4 board would be 2.5" thick. The metric system usually goes actual volume. A 3/4" thick board would be 19mm instead of 25.4(1").
 
#6 ·
Another example of the Metric Monsters taking a simple concept and turning it into meaningless mush.
The 'Board Foot' does make sense, if you're buying large quantities of lumber. But for the hobbyist who wants a particular board, which has maybe a couple of fairly random edges and maybe a big knot at one end, the yard guy with the measuring stick is either his friend or his enemy...the hobbyist is at his mercy. If Y.G. says it's 3.7 B.F. that's what you're going to be paying for.

The concept of M3 is complete b.s., unless you're buying full lifts, or railcar loads.
For framing lumber, on the other hand, where each piece is the same size, the alternate price per running foot (or metre) makes more practical sense 20 pcs-12'/2x4 @ $.50/linft... 20x12x.5= price
Sure the yards' computers will have the B.F. price, but they also have the conversion factor.
I doubt that you could even fit a M3 into a small car! That's a lot of weight. You're always going to end up with a M3 volume of something to two decimal places (.05 M3 for example) if you're buying small amounts of lumber.
As I've argued before, metric has no connection to the Human experience. Trust the French...
 
#12 ·
I'm a licensed log scaler and we measure logs in cubic meters. Just for an example green Douglas fir measures 1.1 m3 per metric tonne so it isn't a realistic measure for a hobbyist. It is more geared to industry.
 
#14 ·
Gaia is from the UK and his price quote is in cubic meters.. (M³)...
we get quotes in BF.... (12x12x1 inches)
 
#15 ·
Metric measure is supposed to be actual measure so the actual measure in centimetres of the length x width x thickness divided by 1,000,000 will give the cubic metres. (1 cubic metre = 1m x 1m x 1m or 100cm x 100cm x 100cm which = 1,000,000 cubic cms squared). This is probably the most practical way to calculate it.
 
#16 · (Edited)
Metric measure is supposed to be actual measure so the actual measure in centimetres of the length x width x thickness divided by 1,000,000 will give the cubic metres. (1 cubic metre = 1m x 1m x 1m or 100cm x 100cm x 100cm which = 1,000,000 cubic cms squared). This is probably the most practical way to calculate it.
ya lost me...

1 meter = 10 Decimeters = 100 centimeters = 1,000 millimeters... correct???

1,000,000² (squared) is 1,000,000,000,000...
to square a number is to multiply it by it's self..
this is where my cheese slid off of my cracker...

but what I want to know is...
did James get the correct answer he was looking for???
 
#17 · (Edited)
³√1 cubic meter = 10 Decimeters or = 100 centimeters or = 1,000 millimeters... correct???

I'm still having a tough time working 1,000,000 cubic CMS squared into the plan...
 
#18 · (Edited)
To be honest Stick I didn't understand your explanation. A cubic metre is 1 m x the three dimensions. 1m = 100 cm so a cubic metre is also 100cm x 100cm x 100cm = 1,000,000 cubic cms. A centimetre is a fairly convenient unit of measure. Although a cubic metre is a little large for a hobbyist purchase, in the metric system you just move the decimal point around so I guess it isn't a big deal.
 
#21 ·
To be honest Stick I didn't understand your explanation. /QUOTE]

all I did was figure out what the volume of wood he wanted to purchase was...
then figured what portion of a cubic meter it was......

I do know cubic meters and yards and units of measure and how to get there...
but trust me....
I haven't a plan when it comes to cubits.... never worked in/with them...
I'm just not as old as some accuse me of being...
 
#19 ·
Peter, the OP, didn't really clarify whether he was referring to dimensional lumber, or rough sawn hardwood, or hardwood that's been planed and primped for retail marketing.
If the last one, and it's a retail lumberyard, quoting a lineal price is a hell of a lot more user friendly.
Personally not of interest to me, but for someone without a planer and jointer...
Maple - Appearance Boards - Lumber & Composites at The Home Depot
 
#31 · (Edited)
Peter, the OP, didn't really clarify whether he was referring to dimensional lumber, or rough sawn hardwood, or hardwood that's been planed and primped for retail marketing.
If the last one, and it's a retail lumberyard, quoting a lineal price is a hell of a lot more user friendly.
Personally not of interest to me, but for someone without a planer and jointer...
Maple - Appearance Boards - Lumber & Composites*at The Home Depot
I told the yard I wanted rough cut boards that I could finish myself. I've got a Dewalt 733 ( lunchbox style ) thicknesser, planer. I'm making a jointer jig to use with the Dewalt. The project is in Fine Woodworking magazine, he uses a 733 like mine.
 
#20 ·
Sorry Stick, I just realized my mistake. Just cubic centimeters, not squared.
 
#22 ·
Luckily I haven't seen anyone ask for a quote in cubits yet. I misplaced my cubit stick so I would only be guessing.
 
#23 ·
maybe Noah didn't return it...
you know how some are with returning borrowed tools...
 
#25 ·
did you understand any of the explanations????
 
#29 ·
Whoa! The yard gave you a quote? Did you place the order at that time, based on the price quoted?
If you did, then jacking it up after making you wait a year (?!) ...what, they floated it across the Atlantic on the Gulf Stream?...is absolutely unconscionable.
If it was only an estimated cost then that's still pretty harsh but not uncommon.
 
#30 ·
Peter I know that western red cedar and redwood are good carving woods and I suspect that western white pine is good too. Maybe they are cheaper.