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Hi, I need to be able to repeatedly and precisely make holes for dowels to joint 2 pieces of wood in the way the picture shows:



I didn't come out with a method for this yet, I thought of building some kind of structure with predrilled holes, then push the piece of wood there and drill with some kind of stop.. but.. not sure.

Any ideas?, do I need to have a drill bank for this?, I don't, but if required I could get one I guess.

(btw, if you think of a better way to joint this, let me know!, for the moment is only glued, the structure is only used for a picture frame, so is not required to be strong, but, the stronger the better I guess.)
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Hi, I need to be able to repeatedly and precisely make holes for dowels to joint 2 pieces of wood in the way the picture shows:

I didn't come out with a method for this yet, I thought of building some kind of structure with predrilled holes, then push the piece of wood there and drill with some kind of stop.. but.. not sure.

Any ideas?, do I need to have a drill bank for this?, I don't, but if required I could get one I guess.

(btw, if you think of a better way to joint this, let me know!, for the moment is only glued, the structure is only used for a picture frame, so is not required to be strong, but, the stronger the better I guess.)
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Nothing coming to mind on the doweling, but for other methods:
Splines are nice
Bowtie inlay at each corner
Pocket holes (only on frames i'm not gifting--personal use only). Actually, with pocket holes, i don't even glue the corners, and i can whip up a frame pretty quickly.

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Lets hear it for Pocket Holes.............I'm listening...........Don't hear much........?????

I love pocket holes for face frames and they are fast and strong, no glue either. Don't know how they would work on mitered corners,will have to try that.

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Sorry, I'm with Stick about splines or biscuits. Fast and easy. Can be done on a TS, router table, or with biscuit joiner. Done properly can eliminate alignment problems which can be a problem with dowels or screws.

Someone I consider a master woodworker once told me that a master woodworker is not someone who never makes mistakes. He is someone who is able to cover them up so that no one can tell.
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gorilla strong too...
a biscuit and a pocket screw would be fast, accurate, strong, no muss, no fuss KISS/MISS....

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Sorry, i was snoring...the only noise you'd have heard.

They work very well, just have to hold back from the outer edge a bit. I've done a handful of mitered frames that way, no glue, no problems. Just cut an accurate corner, align correctly, clamp really tight, screw, done.

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I use the "Ozzie Jig" for dowels and it works great for mitre corners.

Not sure if it is still available...

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I like to quote American author, Jim Tolpin:

"Dowel joints are foul joints." A dowel joint is difficult to drill accurately and has very little face-grain to face-grain gluing area and is destined to fail over time. I agree with the other replies you got. I would use a biscuit (plate) joint or pocket hole screws.

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