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When I first set out to get a new table saw last year I was pretty much resided to buying the Grizzly 715 hybrid 2hp saw. The more research I did the more I found that getting everything square on that particular hybrid saw could be tedious along with my concern about having enough power for 8/4 stock and they don't have a thin kerf knife if I was to purchase a thin blade (to help my power concerns). During the past yr I have had a 220v installed in the garage by a friend for $100 and have stashed away a little more cash, along with tax return. I have a Grizzly bandsaw and absolutely love it so I kinda was ok with sticking with them for my TS purchase. I then moved up to looking at the age old 690 vs 1023 debate..seems like great saws for the money. Then I noticed that when I broadened my horizons I looked at the upper end stuff and have been debating Jet Xacta vs Powermatic PM2000..and now I have a buddy trying to talk me into a SawStop (he recently bought one and it looks sweet!). So basically it went from an $800 hybrid now to a damn $3k beast. I really would like to chill out on the price as I need to upgrade my jointer to 8" and try and get a drum or belt sander somewhere in there too, but I do realize if I get a great saw, it would be a 15yr+ type investement. I do like the dust collection blade shroud of the JET/PM as well as the quick release stuff and the arbor lock / one hand blade switching. The PM does have a cool integrated mobile base which is something that's an absolute as I have a 20x20 garage so everything is mobile. Maybe its just me, but I could see myself changing blades a lot with dados and plywood blades etc. so the arbor lock seems like a big upgrade from the grizzly stuff...maybe in real world application it isn't that big of a deal. I am a realist though and it is hard to swallow the fact I could get a 691 and a grizzly 8" jointer with spiral head cutters for the same as a Powermatic or SawStop. The Jet Xacta is nice and has pretty much the same features as the PM minus the mobile base for a bit cheaper but am I losing any quality by stepping down...and is it that much of a step up from the 690/1023 to be that big of a price jump? Choices choices...I guess this post ended up being more of a rant than a real question, back to the delimma and more research.
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I have the 2hp grizzly hyrbrid. It's a pretty good saw and it will cut 8/4 without too much hesitation. If you have a dull blade it may slow up a bit. Setup and alignment is a process similar on many saws, though the higher caliber saws are more likely to be accurate out of the box. My grizzly wasn't too far off.

I do consider my grizzly a temporary saw. In five or so years I plan to sell it and purchase a saw stop.

Ask yourself about your long term plans. Are you going to buy the saw stop eventually, anyway? If so, consider saving your money and just getting it now.

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Do a community search for Sawstop...lots of previous input on the Forum.
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Interesting dilemma. I bought the Griz G1023RLW last year. It has a blade shroud which seems to work OK but don't expect awesome DC from any shroud. I don't think it makes for a large improvement. I would definitely not let a shroud be a deciding factor.

I looked at a lot of table saws and found the Griz to have good quality at a great price point. Am very happy with it!
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Well I guess I never really considered a SS because of the cost..and to me it seems silly to get a 1.75 hp Sawstop hybrid that costs more than a full on 3or 5 hp cabinet saw. My friend was like well if you're spending the $$ for a Jet, might as well get a Powermatic, but if you're spending that much $$ you might as well buy a 3hp Sawstop." lol...the cost keeps escalating...other than the safety feature im not sure the SS is any better than the PM or JET...and is the PM or Jet really that much better of a saw than grizzly to justify the price? although there are features I do like on those two moreso than grizz. Now keep in mind ive only seen these, never full on operated them so my opinions are subjective to this point.

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I think I have the same disease as you . I start with getting $300 and think I'm going to buy a toy but end up spending $3000 instead lol .
I wanted a saw stop myself but bought a GI instead . Pretty happy with it . I use push sticks and never let my hand get to close to the blade . I'm a big proponent of making sure the TS has a quality fence . I'm a Beisemeyer guy , but I think the excalibor fence is very simular in design . Just a little more refined
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If you are serious enough about woodworking to even consider spending $3000 on a saw, then my advice is to spring for a real name-brand cabinet saw. It isn't just a matter of more power, the guts are beefier and will hold alignment better. My old contractor saw would change alignment every time I tilted the blade. My 10 year old cabinet saw stays true. I second the motion for a Biesemeyer fence, no matter what saw you get. It will simply transform your table sawing experience. No more measuring to the front side of the blade, measure to the back side, etc. Put the hairline cursor on the mark, lock it down and you're done.
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I have a Grizzly 690 I bought a few years ago and couldn't be happier. It is a solid saw and stays in alignment. Easy to change blades. I use a Wixey to set tilt and an Incra SE 1000 miter gauge. Works for me.
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I had a similar situation just a suggestion check out Laguna fusion good luck
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To those with a 30" rip like the 690, do u wish u had the longer rail 691 for 50" rip? I'd be doing some plywood , not sure if the longer rail extension is something handy or just takes up more space you don't necessarily need per say....I could see where an outfeed table though would be hugely helpful
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