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I may not use screw fasteners often in my wood working but when I do, such as building cabinets, I easily get frustrated because the screw head quickly turns into fine metal shavings. This happens about a third of the time and usually by the time the screw is 2/3 of the way home it stops turning and I have to get a pair of vise grips to remove it and start again. I thought getting an impact driver would help but I am still having the problem. Any suggestions. Should I abandon Phillip head screws in favor of something else?

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Jim I'm no expert but I'm a fan of Robertson screws . A Philips to me is pretty much just two flatheads
Philips are great for drywalling but that's about it imo

I don’t always insulate , but when I do .
Ok ,I never insulate
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Jim...assuming you are screwing into hardwood I suspect you need a screw with some self tapping threads at the point end...or pre-drill a small hole then use your phillips screws. My typical is to pre-drill leaving a taper for the screw head so it's flush using something like:

DEWALT Steel Countersink Set (3-Piece)-DW2535 - The Home Depot

If you get a quick change (Makita, Dewalt) you can quick flip from the drill end to the bit end - 1,2,3

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Jim...assuming you are screwing into hardwood I suspect you need a screw with some self tapping threads at the point end...or pre-drill a small hole then use your phillips screws. My typical is to pre-drill leaving a taper for the screw head so it's flush using something like:

DEWALT Steel Countersink Set (3-Piece)-DW2535 - The Home Depot

If you get a quick change (Makita, Dewalt) you can quick flip from the drill end to the bit end - 1,2,3

Hope this helps...Nick
Pre drilling , good point Nick. I do it myself and never thought to mention it

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And rub the threads with a stub of candle wax. (No bell and book required...)
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I may not use screw fasteners often in my wood working but when I do, such as building cabinets, I easily get frustrated because the screw head quickly turns into fine metal shavings. This happens about a third of the time and usually by the time the screw is 2/3 of the way home it stops turning and I have to get a pair of vise grips to remove it and start again. I thought getting an impact driver would help but I am still having the problem. Any suggestions. Should I abandon Phillip head screws in favor of something else?

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Man, I feel your pain. I've had better success, especially after I switched to impact driver, but I've certainly stripped my share.

First, get in the habit of pre-drilling in hardwood.

Second, buy a box of about 25 each #2 Philips bits by Dewalt or Milwaukee. Something aimed at the drywall installers. About the third time you slip a bit, throw that one away - it's edges are ruined.

Try a box of Spax construction screws from the big box building supply center. They use a star driver bit, and a fresh bit comes in every pack. In addition, they have serrated threads that help cut their own way through the wood.

Finally, technique is important. Once the screw is started good so you don't have to worry about it flipping over, increase the down-pressure on the bit. For me, that means my elbow must be directly above the screw. If you're plenty strong, you may be able to get by with alternate positions, but that's the only way I can bring enough pressure to bear to avoid slipping consistently with Philips bits.

It does get better with practice.

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I may not use screw fasteners often in my wood working but when I do, such as building cabinets, I easily get frustrated because the screw head quickly turns into fine metal shavings. This happens about a third of the time and usually by the time the screw is 2/3 of the way home it stops turning and I have to get a pair of vise grips to remove it and start again. I thought getting an impact driver would help but I am still having the problem. Any suggestions. Should I abandon Phillip head screws in favor of something else?

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predrill if need be...
impact driver...
use better grade of screws...
switch to deck screws...
thousands of screws later...
no worries...

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
If only new layers hadn't been added....

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and Oliver has spares...

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
If only new layers hadn't been added....

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predrill if need be...
impact driver...
use better grade of screws...
switch to deck screws...
thousands of screws later...
no worries...
Hey Stick,
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I pre-drill in hardwood. Also in softwood if I am using 2-1/2' or 3" screws. Square head or starhead screws help. Star head are better. Try screws like these:

Amazon.com: Screw Products, Inc. YTX-08200-1 #8 X 2" Gold Star Interior Star Drive Wood Screws: Home Improvement

I use separate drills for each, e.g., drill bit, countersink and screw. Also, use an electric drill for the screw as they generally have more torque than the portable drills. I use either an electric drill or my DeWalt 14v for screwdriving. The others, I use el cheapo Harbor Freight portable drills:

http://www.harborfreight.com/18-volt...ngs-68239.html

I just get tired of changing bits on big jobs even with a quick release chuck.

As already suggested, have a bag of spare driver tips at least 2 inches long. Lubricating screws with toilet bowl wax ring or such helps ($1 per ring). If still tough, use a slightly larger drill bit. We all have these same problems. These things really work. Give them a try. Saves splitting the hardwood too!

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