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I have a chance to purchase a never used, English made Record 52 vise. Funny thing is that I do not have room for a true work bench -- yet. I have heard that the original Record vises are some of the best out there and will outlast my lifetime. The firm asking price seems high to me, but I do not know what is fair for something like this.

Anyone want to venture an educated estimate of what I should be paying? Thanks for all of your help.
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Hi Michael, do you just want a good vise or a collectors item?

That would influence my decision...

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Well what is the firm asking price. If its not one of the newer models its worth having. Is it a 52 or 52e?

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Lee Valley has a vise of similar size and quality for $169. plus shipping. I don't expect the Record vise will have much collector value, and while it may be better than the ones made now, I'm not sure how much better. I have a Record 52E on my bench that I bought when I heard Record was about to go out of business. I saved it for 10 years or so, waiting for a bench to put it on. I do like it, but I wouldn't spend a lot of extra money for the Record brand. I just don't think most of us really tax a bench vise enough for durability to be an issue anyway.

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Well what is the firm asking price. If its not one of the newer models its worth having. Is it a 52 or 52e?
Well, the asking price is a little north of that Lee Valley mentioned but sized like their smallest one. Jaw width 7" and opens around 8". How can you tell the difference between the 52 and the 52e? Stamped on the front are only, "Made in England", "Record", and "52".



I think it is the 52ED model. The one I can buy looks very much like another one on eBay right now.
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Well, the asking price is a little north of that Lee Valley mentioned but sized like their smallest one. Jaw width 7" and opens around 8". How can you tell the difference between the 52 and the 52e? Stamped on the front are only, "Made in England", "Record", and "52".



I think it is the 52ED model. The one I can buy looks very much like another one on eBay right now.
My 52E is equal to the largest of Lee Valley's vises. I have 3 vises on my bench, including a Veritas Twin Screw. The Record vise is the one I use the most because of the quick release feature. If it were me, I would go for the bigger vise, even if it's not a Record brand. Your mileage may vary.

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I went through a similar go around when buying a router plane. The ones that were complete and worth buying were close to or even exceeded the price of a new veritas router plane. I ended up buying the Veritas. I don't buy tools to collect, I buy to use, and companies like Lee Valley/Veritas and Lie-Nielsen build tools that the quality is just as high if not (arguably) higher than their antique counter-parts.

If it were me looking at the vise, and the one at Lee Valley is cheaper, I would buy the Lee Valley one. In my opinion, you will not be sacrificing quality to buy the new vise.

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Sounds like the E and ED are newer than the 52. The 52 would surely be made with better steel and probably have a longer life. But. The very best Record vise for the woodworker would be a pre Irwin 52 1/2. bigger jaw and longer opening.

I would not put a dime on any of the Irwin models. Just not made with the same quality and the steel will not be as good. Just the nature of being made in this present time.

I'm holding out for a 52 1/2 mint.

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Sounds like the E and ED are newer than the 52. The 52 would surely be made with better steel and probably have a longer life. But. The very best Record vise for the woodworker would be a pre Irwin 52 1/2. bigger jaw and longer opening.

I would not put a dime on any of the Irwin models. Just not made with the same quality and the steel will not be as good. Just the nature of being made in this present time.

I'm holding out for a 52 1/2 mint.

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Uh, we're talking about a woodworking vise here. How are you planning to abuse it so that "better steel" comes into play? I'm not talking about a comparison to the cheapest junk from Taiwan, but some of the good vises still made in Europe and sold by such reputable folks as Lee Valley. I mean, how good does the steel really need to be?

Yes, by all means, he should go for a larger vise than the one he found.

I have a Record 52 1/2 E or ED, don't remember which, made in England. It's mounted under my bench and is in like new condition. I like it a lot, but I'm not emotionally attached to it. Make me an UNreasonable offer, and I'll take it down, ship it to you, buy a replacement from Lee Valley, and buy another router with the difference.
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. While I was hemming and hawing over what I should do I happened across some leftover birthday/Christmas money I never spent. I saw that as a sign and picked it up. I figured it will work as a secondary vice if I find a larger one down the road. Since the quality of the vise was never a question, only the asking price, I do not feel too badly about overspending on a well constructed piece of hardware.

Thanks again everyone.
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