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As the old songs goes, I've got six pence, jolly jolly six pence to last me all my life.... Well, actually, I don't have six pence but if I did should I buy the Festool Domino or the Leigh Pro Mortise/Tenon jig? I will be using them to build door frames for kitchen cabinets. Would one be more versatile than the other or is one easier to master?

Stick, this question should be right up your alley. If I did have enough money for the Domino should I go all in and get the XL Deluxe Model? I think the Leigh and the original domino are about the same price say $550.00

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I don't know about the Leigh, but I was at a demo of the Festool Domino recently. It's an impressive machine, no doubt. If you're thinking of buying it, factor in the fact that you're locked-in to Festool dominos to use with it - check the price of them, you're going to be using a lot. They are fast and ultra-precise, but that sort of quality comes at a price.
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@Seldonman ...

I have the Leigh FMT Pro in commercial shop environment...
use it often enough to have dedicated a Bosch 1619 to it...
the accompanying video and owners manual are top notch...

I think of Festool as being proprietary as where the Leigh isn't...
which ever Domino you select there are some options (ie the optional cross-stop with aligning pins) you'll more than likely get to bring the tool to it's full potential... up the base price another 1-200 + $$$....
nothing to get for the Leigh unless you really really want something for some obscure reason...

the XL does larger/deeper tenons over the 500...
The Leigh is limited only by the bits... the size range nudges a fuzz ahead of the Domino here...

the Leigh's repetitious accuracy has it all over the Festool...

anybody's bits work w/ Leigh as where the Festool is a very limited to no after market availability and Festool bits are pricey and proprietary to each tool......

the Festool does floating tenons only...
the Leigh does both... floating and fixed...

the Festool excels at tenons on the face ends of really long material...
the Leigh takes a bit of adaptation...

the price of the Domino tenons will give you a nose bleed...
make your own for the Leigh...

the Festool is faster over the Leigh by a thin margin and is best suited for commercial shops and not the hobbyist unless the hobbyist has deep pockets...
Leigh's CS easily embarrasses Festool's...

dust collection is possible for both...
about 20 bucks for Leigh (the router actually) if you feel the need to upgrade what's built in and let's just say ''lots'' for the Domino...

2608190039 Dust Hood Kit for 1619EVS Router | Bosch Power Tools
Domino Joiner Mortiser Accessories - Festool Domino Mortisers and Joiners
Festool Dust Extractor Accessories | Festoolproducts.com

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
If only new layers hadn't been added....

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Why do you think you cannot make your own Dominos? Not hard with a router table and round over bit, I suspect in time you will even be able to get specific bead or edge radius bits to match.

Personally I don't think the Dominos are that expensive, a kit with over 1000 assorted Dominos with a set of 5 cutters (4mm, 5mm, 6mm, 8mm and 10mm) in a systainer for the DF500 is currently just over £100 uk and as the cutters are typically >£20 each, the systainer and dominos are all but free.
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Thanks Stick for the great answer but let me ask one more question and then I will forever more remain silent on this subject! Suppose, just suppose that I want to go the raised panel route and use the Amana raised panel router bit along with their style and rail bits. Do they do as advertised or again, is there a steep learning curve as far a setting them up precisely. I have a Rockler laminated router table with a Porter Cable 890 router and an Incra Mast R Lift II.

PS You state that Leigh's CS easily embarrasses Festool; what does the acronym CS stand for? Carbon Steel, Commercial Speed....no, those don't work!

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Why do you think you cannot make your own Dominos? Not hard with a router table and round over bit, I suspect in time you will even be able to get specific bead or edge radius bits to match.

Personally I don't think the Dominos are that expensive, a kit with over 1000 assorted Dominos with a set of 5 cutters (4mm, 5mm, 6mm, 8mm and 10mm) in a systainer for the DF500 is currently just over £100 uk and as the cutters are typically >£20 each, the systainer and dominos are all but free.
they swell slightly just like a plate joint biscuit when you glue them up...
reproduce that feature... matching the lets which aren't cut but drawn can't be all that hard either ... right...

I must evaluate costs differently...
tool + options + accessories + feeding + little/no after market.... WHEW!!!
the Domino is too expensive for my taste....

Multimaster in point or even Hilti...
nothing is free... ever...

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
If only new layers hadn't been added....

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one more question and then I will forever more remain silent on this subject!
you trying to make the forum feel bad by remaining silent???
questions matter.. ask a lot and often...


Suppose, just suppose that I want to go the raised panel route
that would be the way I'd do it...
how large are your doors???


and use the Amana raised panel router bit along with their style and rail bits.
knowing which set would be handy...

Do they do as advertised
I own a lot of made in Israel Amana cutters.... outstanding cutters...
now they are made in China for the most part....
the chinese bits are not even close and not the same as the made in Israel by a long shot....
I can't see paying more than top dollar for a name that is actually an average run of the mill Asian product...


I have Whiteside bits...
very good product... excellent CS.. great value...
But (you knew that was coming)...
they don't hold up in prolonged/sustained production...
you, I believe, would never see those levels in your shop no matter how hard you try...
I really like my Fred quadra-cut bit sets... a lot...


Freud Quadra-Cut Bevel Raised Panel Router Bits | Rockler Woodworking & Hardware
Freud Inc. - Raised-Panel Router Bit Set - Fine Woodworking Tool Review

or again, is there a steep learning curve as far a setting them up precisely.
no

I have a Rockler laminated router table
don't know this table top...

with a Porter Cable 890 router
I trust you know that there is a safety recall out on the 890's...
that router will sling the panel bits quite well but you'll need to take smaller bites...
too much too often isn't good for the bearings...
target/read my posts in this thread...


http://www.routerforums.com/table-mo...ment-more.html

and an Incra Mast R Lift II.
good choice...

PS what does the acronym CS stand for?
Customer Service, Customer Support...

Can I get you tell us about your project...
is it for you or a client???
how big???
how many doors and what size will they be???

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No Stick, I can not tell you about my project, as that is on a need to know basis; it is all hush hush and whoosh whoosh as Terry Thomas said in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World! Okay, just kidding of course. I consider myself a beginning to intermediate wood worker having done small builds like chess boards (35 years ago), small boxes and one large cabinet to hold "C" size drawings (always 35 years ago). Having said that I have found that when I make mistakes I can usually fix them so that is one good thing I have going for me. I want to do the cabinets in our kitchen which are 25 years old and badly need replacing. My wife likes red oak stained with Watco Walnut stain so that is what I am looking at now. I would have to buy 3/4 cabinet grade oak plywood as well as solid oak for the doors if I go raised panel. I am thinking of making any drawers I need out of popular and then putting the solid oak door front on them. Do you agree? This project will definitely stretch me as far as wood working is concerned. I will attach some pictures. Oh, yeah, I did make some cabinets for my shop and I will attach those pictures also. On the big pantry style cabinet I want to make slide out drawers but, of course, I will have to get rid of the center style. Can I do that and have the outer doors close on just a top and bottom rail and have a tight fit in the center with no support behind them? I think three hinges would provide enough support, do you agree?

Yesterday I did some preliminary work to see which wood/stain I liked best or I should say, my wife liked best! The winner is the top oak small drawer with walnut stain - see attached picture. More pictures coming.
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Attached are more picture of the kitchen cabinets. I built the birch cabinets last year for my shop so I do have a little experience building cabinets.
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