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vchiarelli 07-13-2015 07:21 PM

New Table Saw - Opinions Wanted
 
I've been using an old Beaver 8" saw for quite some time but have always considered upgrading.

My shop is in the basement and although I've got a DC attached to it, it's design does not lend itself to good dust collection.

I've got my eye on two used saws in my area for basically the same price ($450 Canadian)
Delta Unisaw (with 60 inch fence - General not Unifence)
220 V, 3HP motor

Bosch 4100 (with gravity rise stand) - 2 years old

The Unisaw would give me better dust control in the basement but:
I'd have to take it apart and get help to get it down there
I'd have to have a 220 circuit added
I do have shop space to accommodate the unisaw

The Bosch seems to be a well reviewed saw (my neighbor has one and loves his)
Could leave this in the garage as it folds up nicely, or
move it to the basement and could run it off 110
has a built-in shroud for dust collection

My only other concern is the direct drive on the Bosch - not sure how they hold up over time (I'm obviously used to a belt drive contractors saw)

All opinions are welcome - and you won't hurt my feelings either way :no:

Thanks
Vince

Herb Stoops 07-13-2015 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vchiarelli (Post 724385)
I've been using an old Beaver 8" saw for quite some time but have always considered upgrading.

My shop is in the basement and although I've got a DC attached to it, it's design does not lend itself to good dust collection.

I've got my eye on two used saws in my area for basically the same price ($450 Canadian)
Delta Unisaw (with 60 inch fence - General not Unifence)
220 V, 3HP motor

Bosch 4100 (with gravity rise stand) - 2 years old

The Unisaw would give me better dust control in the basement but:
I'd have to take it apart and get help to get it down there
I'd have to have a 220 circuit added
I do have shop space to accommodate the unisaw

The Bosch seems to be a well reviewed saw (my neighbor has one and loves his)
Could leave this in the garage as it folds up nicely, or
move it to the basement and could run it off 110
has a built-in shroud for dust collection

My only other concern is the direct drive on the Bosch - not sure how they hold up over time (I'm obviously used to a belt drive contractors saw)

All opinions are welcome - and you won't hurt my feelings either way :no:

Thanks
Vince

I have 2 TS in my shop.
the main one is a craftsman 12" direct drive and a the second is the Bosch 4100
I took the fold up base off the Bosch for to mount it on a shop made cabinet. on casters
My main saw is the craftsman and it is also on a shop built cabinet on casters. Right now I have the Bosch set up with a freud boxcutter blades So I can cut on my craftsman and rabbit on the bosch.
I like the little Bosch, I have all the accessories, extensions,digital fence etc, and it does good fairly accurate and smooth cutting with the Freud blade.
For years when I used one saw that if I had a set-up on one and had to make another cut, I had to take down the set up and make a cut and then re set up. This way I have a backup saw .

Herb

RainMan 2.0 07-13-2015 08:34 PM

Vince I absolutely hate dust so I'm liking the Delta choice especially considering its inside your house .
Once you reassemble it your going to have one hell of a saw . Kind of a nuisance at first but I don't think it's going to be that difficult to assemble and reassemble and have a better outcome once it's in place . Better fence to no?

If you were within a few hours of me I'd give you hand but I'm a little west of Ontario lol

Cherryville Chuck 07-13-2015 08:49 PM

The unisaw doesn't collect dust that well either. I've heard that drilling extra holes in the insert plate helps but I think what would help the most is a dust hood over the blade as part of a blade guard.

Otherwise, you really aren't comparing apples to apples here Vince. The unisaw is like a Rolls Royce compared to the Bosch. I wouldn't trade mine for anything but another saw of equal size and quality, like a Powermatic 66 for example. I have an old Rockwell 10 inch for a backup and you can't really compare one to the other. If you go with the unisaw keep in mind that once you park it, it's probably there to stay. Mine hasn't moved a fraction of inch for the 15-20 years I've owned it. Just too big of a job. To get the full value of a saw that big you will want at least a 4' outfeed table too. Once I attached it I wouldn't do without it any more either. That's an incredible price for that saw by the way.

Stick486 07-13-2015 09:13 PM

this is a no brainer... get both...

I have both... but w/ Vega fences on the 3 circa 1944/46 Unisaws and 2 of the 4000's, 3 of the 4100's mounted in Roseau tables... have a Feldon too but that's not apples and oranges...
the Bosch is a great saw, nothing but it doesn't hold a candle to the Unisaw..FWIW the 4100 cost around 400USD new/reconditioned/full warranty...
the left and out feed supports are separate options..
never had an issue w/ any of the Boschs and that's after a lot different operators and a bazillion LF of cuts...
the Bosch is only going let you have 27'' to the right of the blade... this saw has it limits but Uni won't...
it is infeed table adaptable...
for better DC on the Bosch.. pour on the CFM... see my down loads how I did one of them..

you know there are a whole slew of plans on the net for workstations for the Bosch...

Factory Reconditioned Bosch 4100-RT 10 in. Worksite Table Saw

vchiarelli 07-13-2015 09:47 PM

Herb:
Regardless of which one I get, I would keep the Beaver and set it up with a dado stack - it's got some sentimental value to me (was my dad's years ago)

Rick:
I hate dust too, which is why I'm considering the smaller saw for the garage as opposed to the basement. Thanks for the offer but I can probably find someone a little close but if you're ever this way I'll buy you a beer (or two). As a side note, my older girl used to live in Victoria (beautiful area) - I came out there a couple of times, when my grandson was born and when he turned 1. Luckily they've moved back to Ontario and are about an hour from me now. Much better than a 5 hour flight.

Chuck:
Good to know about the dust collection - I assumed that, being a cabinet saw with an enclosed base, the only dust I would have to worry about was above table. I know the two are not comparable saws - the Unisaw was the gold standard for a very long time notwithstanding the gold color of the Powermatic - you don't see many PM around here, especially used. I woodwork as a hobby so the Unisaw is only a nice-to-have, especially at that price. I've put a large 3' x 4' outfeed table with adjustable legs on my Beaver already so not an issue on that aspect. And it would have to go into the basement - I don't like to leave my car outside in the winter and the wife wouldn't even consider leaving hers out there :) (We have a couple of BMWs)

Stick:
You don't have enough - you need to get at least one more :)
Yea, price in Canada is a bit higher - the Bosch goes for $700 before tax, new at Lowes, with the gravity rise stand.
I usually use a circ saw/jig to break down wide/long sheets before heading to the TS, and anything long (shelves, etc) I use a sled.
If I got the Bosch and left it in the garage, I would keep it on its own stand. If it goes to the basement, I would build a workstation for it.
Glad to hear the Bosch can take that amount of work - was always concerned about the direct drive.
I'll def look up your downloads - have seen a few - you're a (cess) pool of information :) :)

Thanks for the opinion guys - much appreciated.

Vince

Stick486 07-13-2015 10:01 PM

@vchiarelli ...

Cess pool.... geeeeeeze...
But hey... I can relate...
the DC setup shown on the Bosch is inadequate...
up the ante to a 6'' line to the bottom and a 4'' off the exhaust chute and you'll have something...

no reconditioned Bosch saws in Canada???

vchiarelli 07-13-2015 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stick486 (Post 724833)
@vchiarelli ...

Cess pool.... geeeeeeze...
But hey... I can relate...
the DC setup shown on the Bosch is inadequate...
up the ante to a 6'' line to the bottom and a 4'' off the exhaust chute and you'll have something...

no reconditioned Bosch saws in Canada???

Not in my area - Niagara Region (south of Toronto/north of Buffalo).
This isn't the a**hole of Canada, but you can see it from here.

MT Stringer 07-13-2015 10:26 PM

The uni saw is legendary. It probably weighs about the same as my Grizzly...450# shipping weight. Dismantling it would help a lot. Once the wings and fence are off, the cabinet is basically square. I guess you could remove the cast iron top also but I have no idea how to do that.
It would help to have a couple of friends to help get it down the stairs.

Good luck.
Mike

RainMan 2.0 07-13-2015 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MT Stringer (Post 724929)
The uni saw is legendary. It probably weighs about the same as my Grizzly...450# shipping weight. Dismantling it would help a lot. Once the wings and fence are off, the cabinet is basically square. I guess you could remove the cast iron top also but I have no idea how to do that.
It would help to have a couple of friends to help get it down the stairs.

Good luck.
Mike

Mike I think there's spacers to make the blade perfectly perpendicular to the table at any angle so that may not be an option . I know they did that on my GI .

I like your idea of removing the wings and the motor would reduce the weight a bit .
Vince may find its best to get a moving cart for the main chassis . Or depending on the entrance , put some wood down on the steps and slide the behemoth down .


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