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I just bought a number of sheets of BB in half and 3/4 inch and what a difference working with it. I am going to use the remnants of a HD , $50 a sheet, maple top ply for shelving. Absolutely the worst piece of ply I've ever seen. One layer of the junk appears to be narrow strips of some scrap bamboo. Cannot make a clean cut in it. So, enough of the cruddy Borg imitation wood for me. I have to drive 60 miles each way to buy real BB in my old truck, through back roads down a mountain pass, but for BB, I'll do it.
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I recently paid $50 bucks for a 4x8 sheet of HD maple surfaced ply that was the worst piece of junk I have ever tried to use. I'm swearing off buying any more ply there. When I tried to cut a dado (very sharp blades) it splintered horribly. When I looked inside, I saw one layer was made up of tiny pieces of what looked like bamboo! I am using the remnants for shelves to store jigs. I do buy some dimensional wood from them, but make sure I get there right after a fresh shipment and then go through every piece there to find the right grain direction and straight pieces they have.

I have to drive my old truck 60 miles each way down mountain roads, through a pass to get real BB from a good lumber yard. Storage is always vertical and I generally clamp several pieces together to keep them as flat as possible. I've been making jigs lately, and there is no point to making them out of HD ply. The other Borg store is even worse for lumber.

What you have to remember is that the Borgs' management must pay more attention to making a profit for stockholders than the needs of a small portion of customers. The SEC requires that and any management that doesn't look at investor ROI will get the boot immediately. This means that when you ask for halp at a big box, you will discover they've replaced the experienced people with kids who haven't a clue what you're talking about. We need to patronize the real lumberyards. Bite the bullet and buy from suppliers who give a rip about we woodworkers.
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I have noticed that too,Tom, even the plys are not butted together But overlapped and pressed flat causing the face to be irregular. I didn't know that you could still get USA made plywood anymore. All the big mills here moved to South America or Korea.
Where I get my BB they were out of stock for a long time as the Chinese were buying it all up, so they were replacing it with Russian birch in 4X8 sheets. The last time I was there, they had a small quantity of 5'X5' BB, but the selection of thicknesses was not good. 5/8" instead of 3/4". I have found that 2 sided MDO or HDO plywood makes excellent substitute for jigs and cabinets, I use that a lot. Have to go to a lumber yard to get it. You might check on it there. Apple Ply is good too.

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Same issue with poor quality from Menard's. It ain't BB, or even close. It is not even consistently the same thickness! Huge voids and overlapping butt splices! Junk at a premium price. Learned my lesson.
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I called the hardwood supplier i use with these questions,
their bb plywood come from Russia , 9 ply, the reason that it ship 5 by 5 it is mainly used
in the building of cabinets if used in the building of standard cabinet there is less waste.
1/2 sheet 30"
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SO much stuff to learn.
I love your guys beyond measure for helping me learn.

I always thought ply was ply. I saw birch for the first time on my last visit to HD, and thought "I'mma try that when the table saw is assembled for my jigs."
Now I know better, thank you. Bamboo is a VERY tough grass, and I can easily see it shredding all to heck as a ply layer. Tsk.

Thanks to you guys and gals, I have also found local lumber places, and now know what to look for.
It's hard enough learning just the basics of grains, and blades, and joinery (Thanks, Teig Frid), now I've learned how to better inspect plywood before buying.

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I purchased Baltic birch plywood from our local hardwood store. It was 5' x 5' and 12 ply. I also bought shop grade birch plywood from the same store. It was 4' x 8' and 7 ply.
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I purchased Baltic birch plywood from our local hardwood store. It was 5' x 5' and 12 ply. I also bought shop grade birch plywood from the same store. It was 4' x 8' and 7 ply.
What was the price difference between the two?
Since 5x5 is 25 sq. ft, and 4x8 is 32 sq. ft,
would the difference in # of plys make up for any price difference?

Please update when you cut into them, and let us know if they handle noticeably different, especially if it has any bamboo plys.
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