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Piling on....

The DW735 has been reviewed ad nauseum and I don't think I've ever seen anything other than very positive or better. As others have said, the CU-tech doesn't have a true spiral. Also, none of their 13" models come with carbide inserts so it's a pretty poor "step up" from the 735's straight blades.

And for that price on the DW735, you better move fast. I've seen used ones listed for more than that.

Personally, I would never go back to using a straight blade planer but then we are talking about double the cost of what you're considering.

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And for that price on the DW735, you better move fast. I've seen used ones listed for more than that.

Personally, I would never go back to using a straight blade planer but then we are talking about double the cost of what you're considering.
Shoot, I've seen used ones listed for more than retail LIST price!!

Can't speak on the Cutech, but my DW 735 has been great. Went from a Delta 12" to a DW 733 to the 735--both "step-ups" were significant. It was a floor display with no box (from a Sear's store), for $325 as i recall. After a year or so i added the Byrd head--different world than the straight knives (which were pretty darned good).

For what i have in it, and what it does--i'd be willing to do it at retail if i needed to buy again. That's a statement coming from a cheap-skate like me.

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CUTech is the company who has made a lot of other companies tools. I have seen what we now know as cu tech from the now defunct Steel City, Rikon, Delta/Porter Cable, and a few others. I had a Delta (now it is a Porter Cable) bench top jointer that was made from them. From my experience, your money will be far better spent on the Dewalt.

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Seems as everyone is saying that the spiral cutter on the 13" planers aren't true spiral. I totally agree. I have a 735. Since I work with a lot of figured wood I purchased a spiral cutter head from Byrd. I could not do this work with regular knives. I have a friend with a Steel City planer with their version of a spiral cutter head. I took a figured board to him for planing. It ripped it apart. I took the same board to another friend with a planer with regular blades. It did a much better job, but still ripped it in places. These fellows are right about 13" planers spiral cutters aren't spiral.

The spiral on the Byrd spiral cutter head are turned at an angle to get the same effect as a spiral router bit would work. The one on the Steel City the not turned at an angle so the effect is the same as a planer with 2- or 3-knives.

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Malcolm,

Thanks for the input and your observations. Since I was originally not planning on buying a planer until I was in a place with space for a 15" unit, like a Grizzly, are the Grizzly (non-Byrd) spiral cutters also marginal?
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this is Byrd...


this is the Grizzly Indexable Spiral Cutter Head...


this is the Cutech segmented cutter head...
which they call a spiral...
Spiral Cutterhead Comparison

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
If only new layers hadn't been added....

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I put a byrd shellix in my 15" planer last year and did a fair amount of research on spiral vs helix. Byrd is the only after marker helical that I found. It may be the only one out there period. PM offers a helical but uses byrds. Jet claims a helical but doesn't say who's it is - I bet it's byrd, too. From all the reviews, helicals are a little better than regular spirals on extremely figured wood than spirals but for most "run of the mill" figure, they are about the same. The shelix slices but leaves a slightly cupped surface which some people don't like though I have no complaints after running lots of Jatoba though my planer. Jatoba is notoriously hard to sand so it's close to a worst case scenario - looked fine to me though. And, a $10 cabinet scraper works really well on it.

To the question of Griz (non-helical) spirals vs the byrd shelix - no, they aren't marginal. For the vast majority of wood, you wouldn't really see any difference. But you WILL see and hear a big difference with either over a straight blade head. If I had a choice of shelix vs spiral, I'd take the shelix but not at much of a premium. I'm looking at a new jointer and would happily take a spiral instead of a shelix.

That cu tech "spiral" looks empty. Not enough cuts per second. One of the reasons the byrd or griz spirals work so well is they have a lot of cutters and thus take smaller cuts. The cu tech head has 24 cutters while the byrd drop in for the DW735 has 40. At this point, the math is optional.

By the way, griz sells the byrd shelixs and some times has them on sale. I think I paid 580 for my 15" but they are going for 655 now.

Final note: upgrading a planer head is a fair amount of work. A skilled mechanic will have no problem. I consider myself semi-skilled and it was a challenge.

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Get the 735 it is the leading portable planer out there. It will run for ages. Every review of planers I have seen says the 735 is the best. Don't get caught up in that spiral game. When you have to replace 50 cutters instead of 3 blades you will wish you got the 735
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While I totally agree that the 735 is a very good choice, arguing 3 cutters is better than 50 (actually 40 in the 735 shelix) is kind of funny. Carbide lasts about 10X HSS and there are 4 sides to each cutter so you get 40X the life of HSS blades. All others things being equal, we are talking about a wash on the number of cutter/blade changes (though you would go through 120 straight blades in the time to go through one spiral, no small cost there). Plus, when you nick a blade, you have to replace the straight one while you only need to turn the damaged spiral cutters.

But, in addition to carbide and better recovery from damage, two additional very good reasons to get a spiral/helix are that it does a much better job on figured wood and is a lot quieter.

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You beat me to it. When you do chip a blade, or a cutter, surely you wouldn't be replacing all the cutters at one time. But you would need to replace the whole blade!
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