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I've been watching some pretty interesting stuff on YouTube lately and it's got me wondering about the real necessity of power tools. Yes, I know they make woodworking easier but are they faster?

I watched British master craftsman Paul Sellers bang out a mortise in less time than it would take me to set up my router table to do one. Assuming there are eight mortises needed for the legs of a table to attach the aprons, I'd have to change the setup once and I wonder if I could finish all eight faster than Sellers could.

Similar thing with a groove in a drawer side. I watched Roy Underhill dado a drawer side with a plow plane in a couple minutes and I wondered if I could do it any faster with a router table or a stacked dado cutter, assuming there would some setup time required.

I suppose in a production environment the power tools would have a distinct advantage but what about for the hobbyist?

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Chuck, no offense, but you're comparing yourself with some of the best there is that use hand tools. It'd be interesting to compare them to some of the best there is that using a router, say Bill Hylton.

I also think it depends what you're making. Hand-cut joints look great with some furniture, but unless you're really good, probably not for contemporary furniture.

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I've been watching some pretty interesting stuff on YouTube lately and it's got me wondering about the real necessity of power tools. Yes, I know they make woodworking easier but are they faster?

I watched British master craftsman Paul Sellers bang out a mortise in less time than it would take me to set up my router table to do one. Assuming there are eight mortises needed for the legs of a table to attach the aprons, I'd have to change the setup once and I wonder if I could finish all eight faster than Sellers could.

Similar thing with a groove in a drawer side. I watched Roy Underhill dado a drawer side with a plow plane in a couple minutes and I wondered if I could do it any faster with a router table or a stacked dado cutter, assuming there would some setup time required.

I suppose in a production environment the power tools would have a distinct advantage but what about for the hobbyist?

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they most definitely have their place...
joist and deck an entire floor w/o power tools and see what you think...
it was 4 years before the 1st power tool came to the job.. circular saw and building houses...
next came an electric drill.... then we all went to heaven when the TS made it's debut..
up till the end I liked joinery by hand, practice made for quality and speed but but ripping big stuff into smaller stuff is out of the question w/o power tools...

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
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I guess my take on it as a hobbyist is that for me, my time is not money. I do woodworking because I enjoy the process. So if that means hand tools, cool. Or if it means power tools that is also cool by me. So I guess what I am saying is that a hobbyist should use what gives them the most pleasure...power or hand.


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d) all of the above.

Is a treadle scroll saw a power tool? or do I have to go back to a coping saw?

When we teach the Girl Scout woodworking class, they get a taste of hand and power tool working. I guarantee that less than 10% of them would ever come back to the hobby if it was all hand tool work. The work, patience, and time involved to get the sense of accomplishment of completing something is more than their limited attention spans can handle. The eggbeater drills and the brace and bit, handsaw, coping saw, and manual screwdriver don't hold the fascination the cordless drill driver and scroll saw do. When they get a taste of power tool use, they can see a result faster, and they want to do more.

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PS- you can go broke on hand tools just as fast as you can buying power tools!

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The old Hand held drill... a hand saw were both major dislikes for me when I was young when you might have had to use one. Some people still used the drills in the 60's. If there were no power tools, I would not have woodworking as a hobby.
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I was 9 years old when electricity came to the farm thanks to the REA. I well remember the hand tool way of doing things. For some years after we got power we still did most all our building with hand tools because only the house really had electricity. If I still had to do things the old way you would have to count me out of woodworking.
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Depends. Partly on the individual, partly on what he is doing.

Some people use nothing but hand tools, out of choice.
Some use hand tools because that is what they have, and/or can't afford power tools.
Some are simply in locations without power available.
Some use just power tools, out of choice.
I think most use both. And a hammer is not a power tool, except in the sense it takes human power to use one.

I learned with hand tools, and started shop class in the fourth grade. That was in a galaxy far away, and long ago. Didn't start using power tools until the 9th grade, and that was only a combination belt/disc sander. Managed to lose the fingerprints on that thing, but no blood. Tenth grade we were taught to use all the power tools. Anymore, regardless of my preference, I am pretty much restricted to using just power tools, with the quick odd job with a hammer, coping saw, etc., tossed in My joints are quite diligent in telling me that they are NOT happy with much hand tool use, and my back chimes in when I stand in one place for more than about a minute. The however is, I should be able to do chisel and carving mallet work on four Tikis, with no major issues, because I'll be sitting down, the carving will be no major issue, and I can just lean back and take a break at any time. It won't all be hand work tho, I'll start out the normal way, with a chainsaw. Hehehe

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'Woodworking' is a big envelope. Woodframe buildings used to be framed exclusively with dimension lumber; shiplap for subflooring and sheathing. Who does that anymore?
Kitchen cabinets also from dimension lumber; again who does that anymore?
Cabinetry is all precision made now, using highly efficient and extremely accurate production equipment. Going back to making it with handtools exclusively would increase the cost exponentially, unless you wanted to work for early 20th century wages.
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