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No doubt, Stick...but that saw is so smooth it makes some things so easy it really didn't pay to haul my RT too...
that's what the Bosch Colt and free hand is for...

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Getting that first good table saw was the beginning of doing good work for me. Precision, clean cuts, square. Nice review.
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I understand that everyone loves their 4100 but in all honesty Nick, this is an apples and oranges comparison. $600 vs $300.
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300$ of what???

Factory Reconditioned Bosch 4100-RT 10 in. Worksite Table Saw

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$300 for the745 and $600 for the 4100. I don't think that's a similar comparison. I'm comparing a new one to new one, not new one to reconditioned one. Granted, the reconditioned one may be perfectly fine, but that's not the point. I know you're a Bosch fan and I respect that. My point is that if a comparison is going to be made, then make it as apples to apples as possible. That's all.
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But, Chuck, how many tablesaws does one buy in a lifetime?
That $600 is 6 months of TV and internet service; seriously, which one is better value?
I'm not advocating that someone should go into debt for the hobby, but my TS is the most necessary tool in my shop and I don't regret spending money on it...if I was doing it again I'd buy a cabinet saw.
(I currently have a Delta Contractor saw and I've spent a fair bit upgrading it.)
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I understand that everyone loves their 4100 but in all honesty Nick, this is an apples and oranges comparison. $600 vs $300.
Thanks, Chuck...you're making me realize that I may have left a wrong impression so your comment gives me the opportunity to hopefully clarify that.

You bring up a valid point of making an apples to apples comparison...I will make as much of an attempt to do that with my limited experiences with both saws. I don't think I made that point in my "quick review".

My intention was to describe my experiences with the 4100 on this particular project. I added the link to the other review because it was one of the better ones I found while I was shopping for a replacement for my Craftsman and Delta job site saws. Even though it was from 2013 and I disagreed with a couple of points it still seemed valid.

The couple I'm doing this project for have a 745 and it was offered to me to use and I turned down the offer. I've used it before and it does not stand up to the repeatability and precision of the 4100. Specifically, the fence does not always align as well as the 4100...when I set the 4100 to 2 1/8, as I did on this job, it cuts exactly 2/18. I've tried that with the 745 and the fence goes slightly off when you go to lock it. Since I needed to make precise cuts I wanted the better performing fence lock.

The 745 is not as smooth...don't know if that is a function of the blade, the motor, the bearings or the guts underneath. All I know is that the "feel" of pushing any size piece through the 4100 is so much smoother and it gives me a more comfortable feeling. I am not that production experience type of person so anything that helps me feel more comfortable is worth the extra money.

I have pushed pressure treated lumber through a different 745 at my marina. No matter how much care I gave it in ripping some 8 footers it always seemed to bog the motor down. With the 4100 I pushed through 16 ft pressure treated 2x10's with a thin kerf blade making thin strips to line the perimeter of two decks totaling about 240 linear feet. The strips were 3/8" that I later put through again to add a partial 45 deg bevel. You would think they came off the shelf. And yes, I used the same holding gear...fingerboards and home made thin strip guide.

I am not a single manufacturer fan...I have Bosch, Dewalt, Hitachi, Craftsman, Delta and others...I buy the best I can buy/afford for the work I need to do. My projects fall into three categories - garbage wood cutting where precision doesn't matter, diy/home improvement type stuff like floors/trim/molding etc, and the more formal woodworking like frames, crown, stained trim, islands, cabinets, etc.

I hope noone takes a single thread and makes a purchase on that basis alone but rather what I do...ask, get recommendations from other expertise and experiences, research based on one's needs and then make an informed decision...again, based on their individual needs.

When I get recommendations the ones that bear the most weight for me are the ones that you also suggest...apples to apples.

Having said all this, I have the utmost respect for the 745 and my reason for doing as much research when I bought the 4100 is because of the quality tools that Dewalt, and others, have put on the market. My decision was not easy as I liked some of the features of the 745.

Mileage may vary and I respect any other decision made by anybody making purchases for their needs.

I hope this clarified my position and, once again, thank you for pointing out the need for more clarification.
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I guess I'm having trouble explaining myself. It's not about whether the 4100 is a good saw or not. It's about comparing it to a lesser product. Of course the 4100 is better than the 745. But that's like saying a Camry is better than a Fiesta. Anyways, I'm not wanting to make enemies here. I really enjoy this site and the people here.
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I guess I'm having trouble explaining myself. It's not about whether the 4100 is a good saw or not. It's about comparing it to a lesser product. Of course the 4100 is better than the 745. But that's like saying a Camry is better than a Fiesta. Anyways, I'm not wanting to make enemies here. I really enjoy this site and the people here.
Chuck...have no fear...it's tough to make enemies on this site. Everybody welcomes contrasting and other opinions, especially as you've done, respectfully.

It's likely that 4100 and 745 owners will jump in with their experiences. It's all to help all of us...
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I guess I'm having trouble explaining myself. It's not about whether the 4100 is a good saw or not. It's about comparing it to a lesser product. Of course the 4100 is better than the 745. But that's like saying a Camry is better than a Fiesta. Anyways, I'm not wanting to make enemies here. I really enjoy this site and the people here.
No problem, Chuck. I think your comments are valid. My tool purchases are often based on budget availability. I appreciate there is a significant difference between tools but I also realize the needs of someone using a tool all day every day is far different from mine where I use a tool once a week or less. A prime example would be my 25-year-old Craftsman 9” bandsaw. I often spend time drooling over newer, better, larger bandsaws until reality hits and I remember that my saw does everything I need for the kind of projects I make. And, although it would be nice to have a Dewalt or even an Excalibur scroll saw, my inexpensive Porter Cable saw is just fine for what I do.

I think the answer is to buy the best you can afford … which doesn’t necessarily mean the best available.

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