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Default Poly Patina and the 4100...no, not a new band...

Some of you have read my thread of "Poly Patina" and you know the fun I'm having trying to match up about 15-20 sq ft of old hardwood floor after repair...what's not in that thread is the amount of precision work the Bosch 4100 did for me.

It's a whole new world when you're meticulous and precise (some are, some not), it's a whole new dimension when your tools let you be just that.

Background...Guess what...the planks of oak I'm replacing the rotted ones with aren't exactly the same size as the ones that are down...there must be some industry ISO standard that says "even though they come out of the same machine during manufacturing does not mean they will be the same when they get bundled". Some were thinner, some were wider, none were square cut...go figure. Combined with the likelihood of my plunge cuts in the remaining boards not being perfectly square I figured I was in for a whiz bang of a time fitting.

That's where my Fein, 4100 and newly sharpened chisel came in (compliments of my new Worksharp 3000). The Fein behaved as expected...nice straight cuts, square up and down and across...well, almost...

The chisel was, OMG, Ah Cahn Baleev it...my whole life I've use the grinder, belt sender, concrete, cinder block, brick...whatever had grit on it. But I never had that mirrored polished "holy mackerel sharp" to it. Enough on that...you guys know better than I what that's all about...

Now the 4100...I used it for cross cuts, rips, squaring up boards, making grooves, tongues...sheez...the whole she-bang. Some of the new boards were a teensy-weensy bit wider than what was on the floor...no problem. Set the fence exactly where I wanted to slice off about 1/64 or less and, by golly, that's exactly what it cut off. No wobble at all on that Freud blade...no resonance vibration...no runout...no splinters...love that saw. Normally I would have used my router table to slice off that little (offset fence) but there's only so much room for tools in somebody else's house...

Grooves...no problem. Yes, the pieces were small enough to hold straight up for the grooves on the end grain side...but they needed multiple passes. I used a backer push board and clamps to hold it square up and down...sort of a make shift tenoning jig. One board about 8" X10" to hold against the fence then clamped the oak piece to it. Tongues...again no problem...miter gauge, set the blade height, push through, turn it over, push again...viola (you remember her) a tongue is born. And for the long side tongues, the fence goes where it belongs every time.

And then the infamous last board...I cut the bottom of the groove side off at about 18 deg to make an edge to slip it in so that it mated with the tongue from the previous board...some light taps and in she goes. This left the upper part of the groove to be supported by the previous tongue.

I've hauled that 4100 around in the back of my Ram and it hasn't needed any realignment from when I first set it up...that's confidence... I clean it after each use, rewax the top and innards and it's good to go again. The dust collection is great with just a shopvac and dust deputy...except it spits a little out the top. Can't have everything.

The miter track is a scosh wide so a piece of tape on the miter gauge fixes that (metric, you know).

Sunday is sanding day...another one of my favorite tools, the Bosch 1273 variable speed belt sander (out of production - bought it decades ago). When I'm done sanding it will look like it was never repaired. (I just said "decades ago"...sheez...I might be getting close to saying I'm getting old)...NOOOTTT...

Having said all of this, it's obvious that my confidence with the saw should not turn into cockiness...that would be dangerous. But the saw really is a pleasure to work with. I still have my Craftsman, Rockwell milk-box and Skill but I'm leaving them for work at the boat yard...

I enjoy being precise, as I'm sure all of you enjoy it, but it's even better to have the tools support that desire for precision...

I'm thankful for the recommendations I've gotten on RF as you have made me a better craftsman...thank you all...

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Nick; Bosch's cheque is in the mail...LOL!
That review should be a 'sticky' for anyone looking for a new (smaller) TS!
Nicely done, Sir
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There is something to be said for an "honest" review of any product. Good, bad or otherwise. Its quite refreshing to read one's review knowing that there is no
"Quid pro quo" subsidizing the product. Such has not always been the case around here and the change is a welcome one indeed. While not a review in the formal sense, Nick's review of the 4100 speaks volumes for those who may be in the market for just such a saw. For the silent majority of our membership, purchases like this are a very big deal and reviews do carry alot of weight in the final determination. While there is no "one size fits all" answer to anything its member reviews such as this and Olivers "10 million dollar stick" that do indeed make a difference...in many ways!!

Congrats on the 4100 Nick, its nice to see that she's living up to expectations and assisting you with takin' it to the next level..!
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Nick; Bosch's cheque is in the mail...LOL!
That review should be a 'sticky' for anyone looking for a new (smaller) TS!
Nicely done, Sir
ditto...
and be safe.. slot cutter for the grooves..
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Great testimonial, Nick.

I place more weight on one UNBIASED review then I do from all of the reviews from the vendors, shills and retailers combined.

I replaced a dangerous, low end, Craftsman with a 4100 and it was the best choice I could have made. With the stand, it folds up and moves wherever I need it to be, sets up in a snap; making accurate cuts. I just added an Incra 1000HD to the combo. I only had time to adjust the Inca before I had to take a trip out of town. So, I'm anxious to see how the 4100 and the Incra pair. I don't expect to be disappointed in any way, shape or form.
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Nick; Bosch's cheque is in the mail...LOL!
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Nicely done, Sir
Thank you...

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Congrats on the 4100 Nick, its nice to see that she's living up to expectations and assisting you with takin' it to the next level..!
Thank you, Bill...

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ditto...
and be safe.. slot cutter for the grooves..
No doubt, Stick...but that saw is so smooth it makes some things so easy it really didn't pay to haul my RT too...

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Great testimonial, Nick.

I place more weight on one UNBIASED review then I do from all of the reviews from the vendors, shills and retailers combined.

I replaced a dangerous, low end, Craftsman with a 4100 and it was the best choice I could have made. With the stand, it folds up and moves wherever I need it to be, sets up in a snap; making accurate cuts. I just added an Incra 1000HD to the combo. I only had time to adjust the Inca before I had to take a trip out of town. So, I'm anxious to see how the 4100 and the Incra pair. I don't expect to be disappointed in any way, shape or form.
Thank you, Bill...I know you enjoy yours too...

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Here's a real good write-up on the 4100 and the Dewalt...I remember reading this when I was in buy mode...

The best portable table saw: DEWALT DW745 or Bosch 4100-09?

But I will mention my disagreement on one of the reviewer's comments...he mentions that one of his dislikes is that a tab pops up and stays up when extending the table top. In fact this is a safety feature...intended to make sure you lock the sliding extension so that the fence does not move unintentionally when operating it in the extended mode. And it's bright red so you can't miss it...I'm guessing he didn't read the manual... Operation is as follows...operate the extender tab under the table (tab pops up on the table top preventing you from placing wood on the table or moving the fence past the tab), extend to desired length, lock the extender tab again (brings the safety tab back down)...operate to your hearts content...

I also found the dust extraction more than adequate as compared to the reviewer's comment...

Shoving a sheet of ply through this baby makes you appreciate its weight...

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