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Aftewr almost an entire year of very limited activity in the shop, I finally was well enough to start on the clean up that was greatly needed due to the shop setting idle.

Took about ten hours to do the clean up, but in so doing, I found that all of the batteries in my dial calipers and Wixey angle finding devices were all dead, four of them by the way. In that the deviced all automatically turn off after a short time of not being used, I have assume that the heat the shop must be what caused the batteries to fail. Just wondering if others have found this to be true. The temperature in the shop during the summer is several degrees above 100.

Sure am looking forward to getting back to work out in the shop, but will have to wait for cooler weather as right now is the hottest time of the year, right at 100 degrees every day out of doors, it's even hotter in the shop. I had do the clean up early in the mornings when the temp was only in the 80's.

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@Jerry Bowen I have the same battery problem, except for the Wixey angle gauge, which has a manual off button. Every other flat better device eats batteries, so i don't buy devices like that anymore. My shop also gets pretty hot, despite insulation, but I have a fairly good sized window AC mounted through one wall so after half an hour, it is livable.

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Went to use my height gauge a few days ago and it was dead. I checked the battery and it was only 1.75 volts instead of the 3 it should be so I'm hoping that's all the problem is. My Starrett caliper also eats batteries. Like Tom I try to avoid those type tools. Good mechanical ones are more accurate and last forever if taken care of. I think most people have gone to the digital ones because they are too lazy to learn how to read the mechanical ones and it really isn't that hard. I know you have vision problems Jerry but a good magnifying glass will probably fix that and I often have to use one too. Age and good vision don't seem to go hand in hand.

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quit using stuff that uses batteries if you absolutely must use them use double or triple A..
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I take all my digital gauges into the house when I finish for the day. I did have a problem with a digital angle thingy but that turned out to be faulty, had an electrical leak somewhere. Had a new one sent FOC and haven't had the same problem. My Wixey type angle block gauge is in a pouch on my work trousers belt, so goes everywhere they do.

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quit using stuff that uses batteries if you absolutely must use them use double or triple A..



I have my investment in the devices that use the batteries. Normally the batteries last long enough that the replacement isn't a problem and actually they are not terribly expensive, the biggest problem is that if you don't have a back up you can get caught without the device working when you need it.

The answer to my question is that it probably was not the heat in the shop that caused the batteries to die, but was just that batteries die on their own and that is what I was wondering about.

For what it worth, while the Wixey angle gauges are nice devices, a draftsman template for angles is, or I am told, and use them for important setting such as squaring the TS blade with the table and the fence on the jointer to the tables.

Years ago I did use a set of dial calipers that did have an actual mechanical dial and I liked it just fine. My vision is not so bad that I could use one of them, I just had not ever tried the one's with the "idiot prove read-out" and so I purchased a couple of them and found that I like them. As far as accuracy goes, I don't know for sure but I have read that dial calipers aren't accurate to much closer that about .002" which is good enough for wood working. I'm more concerned with two parts being of the same width or thickness rather the actual width or thickness and the dial caliper is fine for that for me anyway.

You guys that know more about woodworking and broke me to lead in regard to accuracy with wood working, it took a while, buy I finally got it, thanks.

The clean up on the shop was such that the shop is probably considerably cleaner than it has ever been since I started using it seven years ago. I should be able to keep it in fairly good shape now with the use of an air hose and a broom.

I'm going to store most of my hand held tools in a large freezer which should keep them in a more sanitary condition when not in use. The freezer of course is not plugged in just in case anybody is wondering.

My first under taking, when I finally get back to shop after the weather cools down will be to master the new Whiteside miter lock bit. I have the Infinity bit pretty well figured out but before Nick put me on to the diamond hone to touch up the Infinity bit, I bought a copy of Whiteside's bit and so I have to figure it out, I don't think that it will be that difficult to do now that I some set up blocks that I made with the Infinity bit. The blocks are just close for the Whiteside bit but slightly different or so I remember the only time I tried to set it up which waw quite some time ago now.

One of the best indicators of my getting well is that I find that interest in getting out to the shop has really peaked compared to how I felt for so long when I was recoverying, during that time I didn't care if school kept or not, that feeling seemed to last for ever but has finally demishied and that is very good.

Duh, just had a thought, having back up batteries is not the answer to batteries going dead in a device, a batterie on a shelf waiting to be used will go dead just as fast it would if it were in a device with the device turned off.

Makes me wonder what the shelf life a such batteries are where you buy them new, ummmmm?????

Just read that when the dial caliper is turned off, the only thing that is turned off is the display and that the battery may still be drained. That doesn't sound right to me as the display should be only thing that draws from the battery, but what do I know?

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Re the "turned off" part. My digital caliper battery is just fine if I take it out after using my digital caliper. If I don't, sure as Hell it'll go dead in record time.
I have to assume then that even if it's turned off, there's some consumption/leakage of current through the circuitry.
I keep mine in it's protective case and the battery has it's own little storage pocket...doesn't go missing. It's a pita but better than not having it when I need it.
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Re the "turned off" part. My digital caliper battery is just fine if I take it out after using my digital caliper. If I don't, sure as Hell it'll go dead in record time.
I have to assume then that even if it's turned off, there's some consumption/leakage of current through the circuitry.
I keep mine in it's protective case and the battery has it's own little storage pocket...doesn't go missing. It's a pita but better than not having it when I need it.


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I think that you nailed it. As I said above, I have two sets of dial calipers, one of them is such that the battery is readily removed and I will do what you say you do with that one. The other one requires three small screws to be removed in order to get to the battery. I think that I'll use the first one in the manner you have described and just not install the battery in the second one, and it will strictly a back up device. Actually, I'll probably never need the second set, I won't try to remember why I purchased the second one, oh well, thanks Dan, you have solved my problem and maybe it will help others too.

The batteries for the Wixey angle tools are also easily removed, which is good news too.

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I just keep all of my "coin" and specialty type batteries in the house. I keep several different types for various pieces of equipment; computer mother boards, red dot sights, laser sights, test equipment, sprinkler system controllers et. al. Most use pretty standard types, so I mail order them a dozen or so at a time. I have had batteries for years that still test out at full strength.

I agree with Dan, that, leaving them in the equipment allows them to discharged quicker. I used to take the battery out of my electronic calipers, but it really became a pain. Now, I just replace the battery whenever it goes dead (usually 6-12 months) with a new .25-40Ę fresh battery (depending on the type).

Anyone not mail ordering their batteries is making a mistake. I needed the same small coin battery type for both an electrical line tester and a laser sighting tool. The local vendors wanted as much as $12 for a three pack. I ordered a dozen and it cost me less then $5 for them. Same brand, new stock and I had them in three days.

Heat will kill a battery...so my best advice it to keep them in the house and they will keep for a long, long time.
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