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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 12-01-2018, 07:11 PM Thread Starter
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Hi everyone,

I'm getting back into wood working and generally making "stuff", so I'm on the lookout for tools, as you'd expect.

Anyway, I stumbled across this No 4 plane. There's no makers mark on it, however the grain pattern on the sole plate is quite distinctive. also the casting on the lever cap makes me think that the plane is relatively old.

Does anybody recognise it?
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Yep, that definitely is a wood plane. As far as finding out who made it, I recommend you do a google search, using something like - how to tell who made an old wood plane - for your search phrase.
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Yep, that definitely is a wood plane. As far as finding out who made it, I recommend you do a google search, using something like - how to tell who made an old wood plane - for your search phrase.
Thanks JOAT, I had no idea that it would be such a "thing" ...
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I zoomed in on your plane looking at the adjusting wheel. im guessing its an old millers falls. it has more of a diamond pattern like this one.
as far as the wavy stuff I think someone did that to the sole and the sides. I don't know of any advantage to that except to identify it, maybe from a great distance haha. just a guess. all my planes are old Stanley/bailey. heres a site to look at that might help

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I zoomed in on your plane looking at the adjusting wheel. im guessing its an old millers falls. it has more of a diamond pattern like this one.
as far as the wavy stuff I think someone did that to the sole and the sides. I don't know of any advantage to that except to identify it, maybe from a great distance haha. just a guess. all my planes are old Stanley/bailey. heres a site to look at that might help

welcome to the forum. I envy you living in new Zealand. we had an exchange student from gore south island live with us. the pictures I have seen of your country make it a place I want to visit someday. then of course being from Oklahoma I want to thank you for steven adams

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Humm ... interesting. I zoomed in as tight as I could and there are definitely letters raised in the sole casting, just below the thumb wheel. After rotating the photo a couple of times, and sitting with my head on one side whilst squinting I think it says "made in the USA" ... dunno, however there area couple of other clues in the link, so thanks for that.

I agree with you when you say the the waves are decorative, but I did think that it might have been a company trademark.

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On the other hand, I've got more true friends in NZ than I ever had in the UK. I mean the type of friend where you can knock on their door with no money in your pocket, and they'll feed and clothe you without a second thought ... :-)

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[edit] In the link, it makes reference to Miller Planes manufacturing planes for other companies to brand / sell, and I think that could explain a few things.

Anyway, if I can get the plane for sensible money, I'll grab it and see what we have, thanks [\edit]
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I zoomed in on your plane looking at the adjusting wheel. im guessing its an old millers falls. it has more of a diamond pattern like this one.
as far as the wavy stuff I think someone did that to the sole and the sides. I don't know of any advantage to that except to identify it, maybe from a great distance haha. just a guess. all my planes are old Stanley/bailey. heres a site to look at that might help

welcome to the forum. I envy you living in new Zealand. we had an exchange student from gore south island live with us. the pictures I have seen of your country make it a place I want to visit someday. then of course being from Oklahoma I want to thank you for steven adams
I think we have a winner ...

The cleaned up plane is a Millers Falls No 9, and whilst I'm not convinced that the plane in question was originally branded as a Millers Falls tool I'm pretty certain that the two planes are extremely closely related ...

That said, I'm still intrigued by the markings in the casting, and I'd love to hear any thoughts that people may have about that ...

Thanks guys
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she's got the look of a Stanley "Handyman" series hand plane. But without any branding on the level cap, it may have well been marketed via another brand.

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An old girlfriend of mine married a guy there who operated a stationary business. When she moved there, she lived in a big house on the West end of the Bay of Plenty. She had to jump through hoops to change her citizenship, they're not anxious apparently to have Americans spoil their paradise.

The plane looks interesting. How is the iron? Thick or thin? Thinner is a trademark of cheapo or relabeled, mass produced planes. How much slop is there in the blade height adjustment, another tell on quality. There is nothing like a plane, nothing in the world, to paraphrase a lyric, they are such a satisfying tool to use. That Ssshhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssshhhh sound is far more soothing than the RrrrrrRRrrrrrrRRrrrrr of a motor.
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John; give this a try to get your metal parts rust free:
A trickle charger is perfect for the power supply, and any old piece of iron/steel (not stainless steel). A chunk of rebar works well. And a plastic pail.
Tons of You Tube vids on the electrolysis process.
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I know Sears marketed some tools made by Millers Falls. Montgomery Ward may have too. It wasn't uncommon for some plane makers not to put markings on their planes, why I don't know. It's the easiest way to advertise your product. I have a fairly nice #4 or 5 with a corrugated bottom that isn't marked. I have a nice dual spokeshave that isn't either. It has a straight and radiused cutter on it. I'd love to find out the history of both but most importantly they work well.

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