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In general woodworking with table saws zero clearance inserts (zci) are commonly used. They add safety and make cleaner cuts. I seen them use on band saws too. I'm wondering is scroll sawyers use them, how & of what they are made they're made. I'm getting some tear out on the back side.

Second Delta saw sits on a bench. The bench is too tall or my stool is too short or both so I've been standing. I wondered what kinds of stools folks use so they can scroll saw.

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Replacement plastic inserts are available. The ones you need will likely be the same as those available for band saws. I bought a package of 5 many years ago and still have some left. I bought them from Peachtree Woodworking Woodworking tools, supplies, plans, accessories and more - ptreeusa.com. Search for "band saw inserts". You will probably need #1750, but measure the diameter of your insert to pick the right one. I've found that the ones that I have sit just slightly below the top surface of the table, but a layer of masking tape on the bottom edge of the insert lifts it just enough to fit perfectly.

You should also try reverse tooth blades for your chip out problem. These blades have a short section of teeth pointed in the opposite direction on the lower part of the blade, so the blade cuts on the up stroke as well as the down stroke. It significantly reduces chiping. Using finer tooth blades will also reduce chiping.

I have a Delta Q3 scroll saw with the provided stand. It is the ideal height for using with my normal workbench stool or for use while standing (I usually sit while scroll sawing). The only additions to my scroll saw workstation have been a foot switch and a gooseneck light. If your saw is too low for you to use on your workbench, then consider making a 3 leg stand for it to bring it up to a comfortable height. A Google search for "Scroll Saw Stand" brought up many designs and free plans, so I suggest you try this if you need ideas or plans for making one.

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Hi Berry,
I use playing cards taped down with blue painters tape for zero clearance inserts on my DW788.
I started out with it on a bench and found it uncomfortable, so decided to built a stand. I found some really cool table designs on the web.
This is the one I built from wood magazine 2002 101 workshop projects and am very happy with. I did modify the height and length dimensions (top of the table is 22" off the floor).
It's sturdy and still easy to move if needed. I raised the back of the saw with a 2x4 and mounted the front as close the front as possible, put a small rectangle bucket on the floor in front of the stand and most of the dust and cutouts fall into it.
I picked up an adjustable chair on wheels at wallyworld for $20.
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Tear out on bottom: try reverse tooth blades like the FD-UR from Flying Dutchman, available from Mike's Workshop(http://www.mikesworkshop.com/)

ZCI, you have a few answers already. I have read of sawers who use a piece of 1/4" material to make a zc table.

my DW788 sits on the mating stand. I love the forward tilt. Have a stool from Northern Tools.

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I use 1/4 inch baltic birch held down with carpet tape. Just cut a piece to the size of your table and then saw into it so that you end up with the plywood fitted to your table then remove it, apply the double sided tape and replace the ply - you're ready to go. Make sure your reverse blades are the right number for the thickness you are cutting or they will tend to "lift" the cutting material pretty dramatically at times

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I've not had that problem, all my cuts are clean. But I cut mostly 1/2" plywood, so that probably has something to do with it. I get coarse cut blades too, for faster cutting, don't know if that has anything to do with it or not. I do NOT do a lot of detail sawing with my scrollsaw.

As far as seating, I have my scrollsaw mounted on the second shelf down, and use a folding chair for seating. It's at a good height for me, and I really, really, like the chair over a stool. The chair will fold up when you need a bit of extra space, but most of all, it has a back, so I can lean back and give my poor back a rest when it needs it. A stool severely limits my time working because of that, and I can't stand in one place, using a tool say, for more than mayba a minute at most, kills my back worse than a stool even. I highly recommend a folding chair, based on my experience. On the other side, my homemade router table is also mounted on the second shelf down, and the chair is used when I rout also.

In addition, I made a 'tool stand' I guess you would say. A column, with foot pads to hold it steady, with removable tops that are bolted to various tools, and they fit in place, and are held from shifting by a bolt. So I can sit in my chair and use a bench drill press, my vise, portable metal cutting bandsaw in shop made frame, small bench sander; I think that's it, except for the pounderonner top. I laminated about 2" of plywood and mount that on the tool stand for times I need to pound something; works very well for that. I am thinking also of dismounting my bandsaw from the benchtop over the router table, and mounting that on a base also, there's any number of things I would like to use the bandsaw on, that just take way too long to be comfortable, what with my back. To sit and use the bandsaw would be outstanding.

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This is the stool I use: Pneumatic Stool with Backrest, Model# 710018 | Shop Seats Stools| Northern Tool + Equipment
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Ah, when someone says stool, my thought immediately goes to one without a backrest.

However, strange as it may sound, I find my folding chair more comfortable for me than a stool like yours, with a backrest. Different strokes for different folks I guess. In any event, I highly recomment any type of shop seating have a backrest, so you can lean back once in awhile and rest your back.

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Theo, understood. When looking for this I did not think to call it a stool either. Agree that a backrest is a great idea. I might not lean back all the time, but great for a rest.

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Thanks for the tip Big Steve. I shopped around some (Overstock.com) and that stool from Northern is a good value, pretty well made and certainly inexpensive enough. I have one in my shop now and it's much easier to do scroll work sitting versus standing.

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