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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 02-06-2013, 07:22 AM Thread Starter
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So I picked a bunch of seemingly the same grain, color, etc... Red oak steps and risers for my stairs project. I am looking for that golden look...nothing out of the ordinary. I sanded until nice and smooth to 220 grit and then the stain monster got me.

I put a coat of Minwax Natural and now they are all different color. The dark grain came up quite a bit darker and the light grain did not come up as golden or as dark as I wanted.

The question is more about how to predict the final look...this isn't the first time I've been tricked by the dark and light grain going their separate ways. It seems to trick me even when I use poly only.

Conspiracy...? Normal...? Or did I not buy the right crystal ball...?
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Nick, sorry to hear, but I am eagerly awaiting the answers to your question.

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Get a few scrap pieces, and try this. Apply a coat of Sanding Sealer (dewaxed shellac). Once the dries, try putting your stain on.
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Not real sure what you can do, as I was always taught that it is easy to darken wood with stain but impossible to lighten a darker wood. I know this is not what anyone wants to hear but trying to get a golden oak color from red oak seems rather difficult. At this juncture it maybe better to use a milk paint (after sanding) followed by a clear polyurethane for durability.
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I've had SOME luck with Minwax PreStain Conditioner. It seems to keep the stain absorption more consistent.
Might give it a try. Not too expensive.
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Nick, I am sorry to learn of this, but just like (Big) Steve; I am also eagerly awaiting answers from other knowledgeable members. I wish Joy's Dad were still alive, because oak was his most often used wood. Roswell Seating Company made church furniture from several choice hardwoods and oak was number one for making church pews.

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How can you get golden colour from red oak that has red tints in it should have used white oak which has a golden colour when finished there is a definite colour difference
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The sanding sealer is what we used when I was young and re-finishing floors. If I remember it was a lacquer based product. Often we would mix the "clean" sanding dust with the sealer and trowel the entire floor then sanding off to fill all grain and gaps particularly good with parquet (sp) floors.

But Minwax also sells a material called "Wood Conditioner" that works to help minimize the differences in grain. Works pretty good but I would suggest using this and applying the stain with a rag and a piece of sand paper so you can work each piece separately.

But the sanding sealer great idea.

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So I thought I would include a picture of the color I am trying to get to. In the picture you will see the new riser with Minwax Natural already on it. In the lower section I've put some poly to see how it might end up. As you can see the newel has a orange/amber color. I have gone to many floor and finish places to ask what they might think covered the red oak with that orange-ish finish to no avail. I picked up some DuraSeal (amber) poly but as you can see in the picture it does not come close. I know the original newel that you see in the picture is red oak as some of the grain is exposed where it was cut to face the old riser. I used the same Natural and Poly combo on that section and it came up the same way as my new wood...so I gather the orange/amber came from the coating and not the stain.

Does anybody recognize the color in the picture...? Any ideas what it might be...? Anybody achieve this orange/amber color with something...?
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I recently put in some red oak flooring as part of a bathroom remodel and I used Minwax Golden Oak 210B stain and I was very happy with the results. I use this stain for a lot of my red oak projects.
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