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I was asked to route a design (well, words, actually) in a piece of Red Oak. Nothing big or fancy, just a couple words. I've now attempted it FOUR TIMES and to my standards, the results are not acceptable. I used brand new carbide (one Freud, one other high-end brand-I forget the name of it,) bits, and the size of the lettering was only 5/8" high, so needless to say I wasn't cutting deep. (Especially since they weren't real "Fanciful" letters, but dressy just the same; being somewhat thin in the lines.) The lines aren't nearly straight, the bits refused to follow instruction (it was like working with an unruly child *or a couple "adults" I know*!!!) What in the blazes is the deal? Insight?

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Oak can be nasty sometimes the router bit will was want to take the easy way track,the tracks are in the Oak you can get done by using a template for the pattern you want it stay in..you can use guides or a simple pattern router bit or a inlay set for small work..

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I was asked to route a design (well, words, actually) in a piece of Red Oak. Nothing big or fancy, just a couple words. I've now attempted it FOUR TIMES and to my standards, the results are not acceptable. I used brand new carbide (one Freud, one other high-end brand-I forget the name of it,) bits, and the size of the lettering was only 5/8" high, so needless to say I wasn't cutting deep. (Especially since they weren't real "Fanciful" letters, but dressy just the same; being somewhat thin in the lines.) The lines aren't nearly straight, the bits refused to follow instruction (it was like working with an unruly child *or a couple "adults" I know*!!!) What in the blazes is the deal? Insight?



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Can't use guides or template on this, Bob. Attached is the pattern in a jpg format so you can see it... I do my patterns freehand; no "template" or guide. Just my own ability. I print out the pattern backwards, then transfer it over to the wood. From there I cut. The finished project to me looks like I did it without a pattern or lines to follow. So disappointed in the outcome.


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Oak can be nasty sometimes the router bit will was want to take the easy way track,the tracks are in the Oak you can get done by using a template for the pattern you want it stay in..you can use guides or a simple pattern router bit or a inlay set for small work..

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Agree with BJ red oak heavy grain detail cuts will be really hard to do,you might try white oak or quarter sawn red oak
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Agree with BJ red oak heavy grain detail cuts will be really hard to do,you might try white oak or quarter sawn red oak
Huh??? LOL

And unfortunately, I didn't supply the wood (the first piece... had to buy a second piece because of the results on the first.)

Just asked Ken about it, and he says that's what my second piece was??? drats. Looks like I gotta get out the picture of my horrible work...

Oh wait! You mean to where the grain is at an angle????

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Agree with BJ red oak heavy grain detail cuts will be really hard to do,you might try white oak or quarter sawn red oak
Okay, well, this is embarrassing, but here's how it come out... the one on the left (I think) was the second piece we bought because of my screw up on the first.)
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Well, not as disastrous as you make it sound, but I certainly understand what the problem is. I have only admiration for the furniture makers in the past who embellished their Red Oak work with carvings, hand done at that!
Sometimes you just have to tell a client "No".
(I pretty much always lived to regret the times I didn't but should have.)
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I think you're beating yourself up unnecessarily Barb. I'm not sure where you think it went wrong but it looks fine to me. Just consider any glitches in text that small to be what typographers call "embellishments."

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Dan, I never cut red oak before. And this isn't for a customer, it's for a friend.

And Oliver, you're too kind

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Well, on the bright side, looks like you have a couple of pieces to practice with.

I've never routed letters, on anything, but have routed some edges on red oak. I'd say go very, very, slowly - not the bit, but moving the router. Not sure that would do it, but all I can come up with at the moment. Or, perhaps a Dremel would work better, if you have one.

Does it 'have' to be routed? Or could it be burned?

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