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Hello to all, I need some input on getting my dust under control based on my circumstances. I have poked through the archives and read the Bill Pentz info. I do not want to spend a lot but have a reasonable budget (would like to stay in the $300 - $400 range).

I am an infrequent wood worker and have little room to spare in my shop (doubles as a garage most of the time). I primarily use a miter saw for various projects, router on occasion, table saw infrequently, hand sander on occasion, jig saw on occasion, might buy a bandsaw at some point. I might spend 3 or 4 days on a specific project and then not be in the shop working for several months.

Right now I have two Sop Vacs, an older 1.25 HP/7.2 Amp and a newer 3HP "peak" 7.6 Amp, the older one runs circles around the newer one.

I am thinking of either a Dust Deputy of some sort to use with the older shop vac or a 1 HP dedicated dust collector like the Shop Fox W1727, 800 CFM (supposedly) which I would move from machine to machine as needed. I could do a very short run of 4" piping close since it would be some kind of mobile setup.

I also thought about adding a hanging air cleaner at some point to supplement the dust collection. The garage has good ventilation by opening the main overhead door and side door, a solution that vents outside through the wall is not possible.

Any thoughts about my plan of action or advise would be great.
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I wouldn't do anymore than what you're planning...put a dust deputy in front of the shop and call it a day. Since you plan on making the DC mobile, make a stand with wheels for the Dust Deputy and ShopVac and that will make it easy to stay mobile.

The air cleaner in the ceiling is a good idea also...

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i wouldn't do anymore than what you're planning...put a dust deputy in front of the shop and call it a day. Since you plan on making the dc mobile, make a stand with wheels for the dust deputy and shopvac and that will make it easy to stay mobile.

The air cleaner in the ceiling is a good idea also...
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There is some, okay, a lot of information, because one size does not fit all when it comes to dust collection and your health in this here link...

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Thanks to all for the input.
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[QUOTE=Nickp;2128645]I wouldn't do anymore than what you're planning...put a dust deputy in front of the shop and call it a day. Since you plan on making the DC mobile, make a stand with wheels for the Dust Deputy and ShopVac and that will make it easy to stay mobile.

This is what I am using and it works very well.
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Robert what the dust deputy does is give your filter less work to do. The filter at the end of the line is what determines what escapes back into the atmosphere. A device like the Dust Deputy will help drop more of the dust out of the air stream before it gets there. There are some choices with some models as to how fine that filtration is. If you've read Pentz' work then you know that that is .3 micron if you want to be safe. If you filter as fine as .3 micron then something like a Dust Deputy is a necessity because the finer the filter media, the faster it plugs up.

You can do a pretty good job of collecting dust from a router with a fence mounted vac hose. Jig saws produce mostly coarse dust and also don't throw it like a miter saw will. Sanders produce fine dust but all of them these days have a connection for a small vac hose and that should capture most or all of what they produce. I took my bandsaw and cut a hole in the bottom wheel cover and attached a 4" port for my DC system. It catches what appears to be nothing. I believe that for a dust pickup to be effective on a bandsaw it needs to be just under the table and catch it before it gets a chance to spread out past the point where the DC is capable of pulling it in.

That leaves the worst offender which is a miter saw. For it you need to install a shroud behind it and since you have two vacs I would be inclined to use both, particularly if it's possible to hook one directly to the saw since some do have a port for connecting to a DC. The shroud could be cloth or plastic attached to a skeleton frame or you could make one out of thin ply and tapering down to the size of the hose. That should catch the majority of what it is producing since the blade is tossing all the debris in that direction.

A table saw is a special case and they are as bad as chop saws for creating dust. Many have dust collection in the cabinets under the table but just as much dust is created by the blade above the table and you need a pickup above the table to catch it. I've been mulling that problem over for several years trying to figure out how to make something that will be effective without being in the way for things like making tenons or cutting thin strips. I haven't come up with a solution for that one yet.
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As others have said, a cyclone in front of the shop vac with everything on wheels works well. I have a garage shop and that's my setup along with a WEN 3410 3-Speed Remote-Controlled Air Filtration System hanging from the ceiling. I also run the WEN for a couple of hours after I leave the shop and the air is pretty clean the next time I go in. For the last line of defense, always wear a N95 dust mask when sawing or sanding to catch the very fine dust that gets through the other filters. The problem now is finding them.
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I wouldn't do anymore than what you're planning...put a dust deputy in front of the shop and call it a day. Since you plan on making the DC mobile, make a stand with wheels for the Dust Deputy and ShopVac and that will make it easy to stay mobile.

This is what I am using and it works very well.

There ya go, Chris...if it ain't broke, don't fix it til it is...
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For your use, your big shop vac, a dust deputy on a bucket and 2.5 inch tubing is a workable solution, and not very expensive. Here is a pix of that setup, but I'd mount it on a cart. I also attached a picture of the WEN hanging filter, which is identical to the power and filters used in the far more expensive JET. Cost should be less than $140 or so for all the parts. Make sure you use Y shaped connecters, right angle connectors reduce the air flow.

I have settled in on the Harbor Freight DC unit, which you often find on sale for less than $180. But you will need to add a chip collector, 4 inch hose, connectors . It comes with a mediocre cloth collection bag, but it is OK if you roll it outside .

But again, I doubt you need more that what's in the pictures.
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