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Everything looks great so far. I've been building out a shop for a little less than a year now. Here's my advice:

1) Definitely get some 220v outlets set up. I don't own any 220v equipment currently, but everything I'm starting to think about buying is 220v. Specifically: dust collection (Laguna), Bandsaw (Lagina 14' SUV), and Tablesaw (Laguna). 220v extension cords are expensive, and increase electrical resistance, so think carefully about where you place the outlets.

2) I do some metal work too, and 120v outlets will cover most of your needs, unless you're trying to weld really thick metal together. Also, stick welding is a lot harder than MIG. Stick with MIG, and if you get a Lincoln Electric, take a look at their Power MIG 140.

3) Consider air extraction duct work in your design. It's really important for both for sawdust and welding fumes. Best setup is airtight, electrically grounded (lots of static charge buildup) ducts with some airtight blast gates to control airflow. Run the duct to several convenient locations, with a length of flexible 4in hose at the end, so you can still move equipment around.

4) A cheaper and easier way to promote clean air is opening barn doors on both sides of the shop, and setting up a small array of fans blowing outside at one of the doors. That makes the entire shop work like a downdraft table. But Proper dust extraction with 4in ducts will be much better at capturing high velocity sawdust before it gets into the air you're breathing.

Hope this helps. And don't get intimidated by cost - just prioritize what order you need things in and buy them one at a time.

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Honestly, I haven't looked at. I will when I get some time. I also just ordered an accusquare fence for my saw. The factory craftsman one is pretty terrible.
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Everything looks great so far. I've been building out a shop for a little less than a year now. Here's my advice:

1) Definitely get some 220v outlets set up. I don't own any 220v equipment currently, but everything I'm starting to think about buying is 220v. Specifically: dust collection (Laguna), Bandsaw (Lagina 14' SUV), and Tablesaw (Laguna). 220v extension cords are expensive, and increase electrical resistance, so think carefully about where you place the outlets.

2) I do some metal work too, and 120v outlets will cover most of your needs, unless you're trying to weld really thick metal together. Also, stick welding is a lot harder than MIG. Stick with MIG, and if you get a Lincoln Electric, take a look at their Power MIG 140.

3) Consider air extraction duct work in your design. It's really important for both for sawdust and welding fumes. Best setup is airtight, electrically grounded (lots of static charge buildup) ducts with some airtight blast gates to control airflow. Run the duct to several convenient locations, with a length of flexible 4in hose at the end, so you can still move equipment around.

4) A cheaper and easier way to promote clean air is opening barn doors on both sides of the shop, and setting up a small array of fans blowing outside at one of the doors. That makes the entire shop work like a downdraft table. But Proper dust extraction with 4in ducts will be much better at capturing high velocity sawdust before it gets into the air you're breathing.

Hope this helps. And don't get intimidated by cost - just prioritize what order you need things in and buy them one at a time.

Cheers.


Lots of good advice. What amp plugs did you go with? 30 or 50 amp?

I have a Hobart handler 140 that works like a champ. I've done more stick than mig welding but I do find mig to be an easier process. I do want to get a gas bottle for my welder. I have the regulator but have just been using flux core wire.

I also plan on getting a Lincoln stick welder for heavier gauge stuff.

Thanks for all the kind words y'all. Should have more updates soon.
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Dustin I used 30 amp twist lock outlets in my shop for my table saw and anything else that's running 240V . Will have to install a 50 or 60 amp for my welder .
The bad news is there over a $100 for the wall outlet recepticle and the male end on the machinery . I started with them , so I outta finish that way I guess

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Lots of good advice. What amp plugs did you go with? 30 or 50 amp?
30amp v. 50amp
I assume you're referring to individual outlet capacity. Really depends on your workflow.

For 120v outlets, I am fine with 30amp. Most benchtop and portable tools are anywhere from 7-20amps individually. I sometimes use a power strip to get an extra outlet for a shopfan, which can push the limit, but I'm typically below 30amps.

If you can, 50amps is better. Then you'll never have to worry about motors bogging down before the breaker trips (which can allegedly cause motor damage, but never has for me). If I'm cutting thick lumber on my table saw, running a fan, and a dust extraction off one outlet, that'll happen.

For 220v outlets, I'd definitely lean toward the 50amp or higher capacity. 220v machines I'm interested in buying draw 30amps individually. If you don't need 220v machines in the near future, just make sure you build the shop in a way that'll easily facilitate a 220v upgrade.

Welding

If the Hobart works well for you, keep with it till you have a reason to upgrade. Maybe get a Lincoln 4c shielded mask as your first upgrade, then a new welder when it's time.

One reason MIG + flux core is cool is you never have to worry about refilling gas tanks. MIG + bottled shielding gas is supposed to reduce spatter a little bit, but then you've gotta buy more equipment and be mindful of gas usage.

Welding and Woodworking Air Extraction
Make sure you're responsible with sawdust collection. Sawdust is extremely combustible. Don't ever let the welding get near the wood and sawdust. And keep a fire extinguisher on site, just in case.

Welding and woodworking should have separate air extraction systems. That way welding fumes don't ruin the filters on your dust extractor, and you don't have to worry about molten spatter starting a fire in the ducts. Downdraft table, PAPR airshield helmet, ventilation hood that blows air outside - all viable solutions. Maybe even just a shop fan with a flexible duct (i.e.
Fans | Blower Fans | Flame Retardant Flexible Duct 32 Ft. for 12 Inch Diameter Fan | 246345 - GlobalIndustrial.com) would do it.

Feel free to ask anything else!

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Just a quick update. Been working on some shop furniture.

Building a miter saw station and an outfeed table for the table saw.

Excuse the mess. Need to build more places to put stuff lol






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Thanks. This my first try at building cabinets. It's not so bad but I struggle with the precision required. I had marked improvement on the second one I built.

I'm hoping the vega u50 I will be installing next week and a miter station will help with the issue


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