Router Insert for a Ridgid R4510 Table Saw - Router Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-08-2012, 01:26 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
GulfcoastGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Patrick
Posts: 876
 
Router Insert for a Ridgid R4510 Table Saw

I've had my new saw a week now and I've decided to use the space that opens up when the table is extended for a router table insert. I've checked clearances and I think some 3/4" aluminium angle, carefully cut to fit the inner groove of the rails should support the insert and leave enough room for a standard router plate from Grizzly. (Thanks Jigs). Only problem is the plates are on back-order and won't come in till June 1.

In the mean time I'll work on getting the fence mod going. I have a preliminary design I've thrown together on Google Sketchup. The large silver extrusion is the table saw fence. The white one is Incra's T-track Plus (probably will use two to get measurement on both ends). The brown is 1/2" and 3/4" MDF. If any one sees any glaring mistakes please let me know.

GCG
Attached Images
File Type: jpg table saw router fence front.JPG (56.2 KB, 525 views)
File Type: jpg table saw router fence back.jpg (52.0 KB, 528 views)
GulfcoastGuy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-08-2012, 03:41 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
GulfcoastGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Patrick
Posts: 876
 
I thought a couple of exploded views might be useful.

Oh, and I closed up the ends and added center support in the spacer boxes.

GCG
Attached Images
File Type: jpg table saw router fence ex aboveJPG.JPG (85.3 KB, 360 views)
File Type: jpg table saw router fence ex below.JPG (73.5 KB, 317 views)
GulfcoastGuy is offline  
post #3 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-08-2012, 10:02 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
GulfcoastGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Patrick
Posts: 876
 
One more of the whole concept.

GCG
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Table saw router table insert.jpg (89.2 KB, 441 views)
GulfcoastGuy is offline  
post #4 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-08-2012, 10:43 PM
Registered User
 
Clyde_WoodBee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Clyde
Posts: 13
 
Some thoughts for you to consider

One question I have is how will you get bolts/nuts into and out of the slots for auxiliary fences? It appears you have a hole for a chip/dust collector which is excellent. I would also have some auxiliary jig slots along the top for flexibility of adding jig parts that may require different positioning to augment and assist the t-slots. I would also consider a t-slot at the very top facing up to gain more jig and stops design flexibility. On ting you appear to be doing wisely is making the fence taller. I have had to add a tall fence auxiliary jig to my commercial fence that permits me to do spline and mortising on things like picture frames and legs which are tall, sometimes held at an angle, and need vertical support.
I hope these comments help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GulfcoastGuy View Post
I've had my new saw a week now and I've decided to use the space that opens up when the table is extended for a router table insert. I've checked clearances and I think some 3/4" aluminium angle, carefully cut to fit the inner groove of the rails should support the insert and leave enough room for a standard router plate from Grizzly. (Thanks Jigs). Only problem is the plates are on back-order and won't come in till June 1.

In the mean time I'll work on getting the fence mod going. I have a preliminary design I've thrown together on Google Sketchup. The large silver extrusion is the table saw fence. The white one is Incra's T-track Plus (probably will use two to get measurement on both ends). The brown is 1/2" and 3/4" MDF. If any one sees any glaring mistakes please let me know.

GCG
Clyde_WoodBee is offline  
post #5 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-08-2012, 10:46 PM
Registered User
 
Clyde_WoodBee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Clyde
Posts: 13
 
One more thought

I noticed in this drawing the double t-slot has one slot buried and not useable. Is this because of the pieces you have or am I missing something about how you might use the inward turned lower t-slot?


Quote:
Originally Posted by GulfcoastGuy View Post
One more of the whole concept.

GCG
Clyde_WoodBee is offline  
post #6 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-09-2012, 05:51 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
GulfcoastGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Patrick
Posts: 876
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clyde_WoodBee View Post
One question I have is how will you get bolts/nuts into and out of the slots for auxiliary fences?
If you're asking how the aux is held to the primary I'll have three flat head screws accessible from the center in the back of the center chamber and strategically placed behind the outer slot on either end of the face. I'll have to slide the aux onto the primary from the end. I hope that's what you were asking.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clyde_WoodBee View Post
It appears you have a hole for a chip/dust collector which is excellent. I would also have some auxiliary jig slots along the top for flexibility of adding jig parts that may require different positioning to augment and assist the t-slots. I would also consider a t-slot at the very top facing up to gain more jig and stops design flexibility.
Funds. It's all about the money. Mine is limited. I do what I can with what I've got. I'd love to do more but then there'd be the med bills when my wife beans me with that cast iron frying pan.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clyde_WoodBee View Post
On ting you appear to be doing wisely is making the fence taller. I have had to add a tall fence auxiliary jig to my commercial fence that permits me to do spline and mortising on things like picture frames and legs which are tall, sometimes held at an angle, and need vertical support.
I like the height, too. That was intentional.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clyde_WoodBee View Post
I hope these comments help.
All comment are very welcome.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clyde_WoodBee View Post
I noticed in this drawing the double t-slot has one slot buried and not useable. Is this because of the pieces you have or am I missing something about how you might use the inward turned lower t-slot?
Its how the Incra TTrackPlus is made. There's a scale on the front of the back facing slot that I don't show in the sketch.

Thanks for the response.

GCG
GulfcoastGuy is offline  
post #7 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-09-2012, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
GulfcoastGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Patrick
Posts: 876
 
Clyde,

I took one of your suggestions and put the TTrack Plus on the top and replaced it with a standard track. I made the support boxes shallower and added support on the top across the top of the saw fence. Then I dropped in some fasteners for clarity. I've shifted the positions of the slide-able sections to show the fasteners that would otherwise be hidden.

GCG

Addendum: The 1/4-20 screws that the aux fence sections ride on will be in threaded inserts (I have some from a previous project). That's why I'm not going to use track there. Should have been clearer on that.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg table saw router fence front 02.JPG (121.3 KB, 344 views)
File Type: jpg table saw router fence top.JPG (95.1 KB, 321 views)

Last edited by GulfcoastGuy; 05-09-2012 at 04:00 PM.
GulfcoastGuy is offline  
post #8 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-10-2012, 09:57 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
GulfcoastGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Patrick
Posts: 876
 
Added the Saw table for some context.

First pic: full layout with the fence at the right most position allowable.
Second pic: Fence, TTrack, and Plate removed to show the cutouts in the top (3/4 Melamine).
Third pic: Top removed to show the 1/2 MDF base inside the frame sections.

GCG
Attached Images
File Type: jpg RTI-Full.JPG (76.0 KB, 349 views)
File Type: jpg RTI-minus FencePlateTTrack.JPG (50.5 KB, 324 views)
File Type: jpg RTI-minus FencePlateTTracktTop.JPG (45.7 KB, 286 views)
GulfcoastGuy is offline  
post #9 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-11-2012, 02:44 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
GulfcoastGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Patrick
Posts: 876
 
Over 160 views and no one is warning me off so I guess I can move forward.

Two dimension drawings
1. Aluminum angle detail
2. Top and base detail

GCG
Attached Images
File Type: jpg RTI-angle detail.JPG (50.2 KB, 308 views)
File Type: jpg RTI-top & base detail.JPG (49.1 KB, 315 views)
GulfcoastGuy is offline  
post #10 of 130 (permalink) Old 05-11-2012, 05:45 PM
Forum Contributor
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
First Name: John
Posts: 3,035
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GulfcoastGuy View Post
Added the Saw table for some context.

First pic: full layout with the fence at the right most position allowable.
Second pic: Fence, TTrack, and Plate removed to show the cutouts in the top (3/4 Melamine).
Third pic: Top removed to show the 1/2 MDF base inside the frame sections.

GCG
It looked good to me until I got to this the first pic. The way you have it set up you will have to work over the long (left) end of the saw. You need to set it up so the fence is between the router position and the saw blade position so your routing work area is off the right end of the saw. Actually the fence itself is fine I just am hoping you are planning on mounting it on the other side of the saw fence than what you are showing

John Schaben

The problem with experience is I usually get it immediately after I need it.

Last edited by jschaben; 05-11-2012 at 05:54 PM.
jschaben is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Router Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Favorite beginner base plate? rfsurfer Table-mounted Routing 43 12-31-2013 04:51 PM
Insert plate vs. Direct bolt to router table Trumanthedog Table-mounted Routing 13 06-01-2010 11:18 PM
Router table ideas Larwyn Table-mounted Routing 4 12-28-2009 01:47 AM
How do I mount a Router to a table demaX Table-mounted Routing 3 04-16-2009 06:56 AM
Freud Router stjimm General Routing 1 01-03-2009 11:04 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome