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Router Insert for a Ridgid R4510 Table Saw

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Old 05-08-2012, 02:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've had my new saw a week now and I've decided to use the space that opens up when the table is extended for a router table insert. I've checked clearances and I think some 3/4" aluminium angle, carefully cut to fit the inner groove of the rails should support the insert and leave enough room for a standard router plate from Grizzly. (Thanks Jigs). Only problem is the plates are on back-order and won't come in till June 1.

In the mean time I'll work on getting the fence mod going. I have a preliminary design I've thrown together on Google Sketchup. The large silver extrusion is the table saw fence. The white one is Incra's T-track Plus (probably will use two to get measurement on both ends). The brown is 1/2" and 3/4" MDF. If any one sees any glaring mistakes please let me know.

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I thought a couple of exploded views might be useful.

Oh, and I closed up the ends and added center support in the spacer boxes.

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One more of the whole concept.

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One question I have is how will you get bolts/nuts into and out of the slots for auxiliary fences? It appears you have a hole for a chip/dust collector which is excellent. I would also have some auxiliary jig slots along the top for flexibility of adding jig parts that may require different positioning to augment and assist the t-slots. I would also consider a t-slot at the very top facing up to gain more jig and stops design flexibility. On ting you appear to be doing wisely is making the fence taller. I have had to add a tall fence auxiliary jig to my commercial fence that permits me to do spline and mortising on things like picture frames and legs which are tall, sometimes held at an angle, and need vertical support.
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I've had my new saw a week now and I've decided to use the space that opens up when the table is extended for a router table insert. I've checked clearances and I think some 3/4" aluminium angle, carefully cut to fit the inner groove of the rails should support the insert and leave enough room for a standard router plate from Grizzly. (Thanks Jigs). Only problem is the plates are on back-order and won't come in till June 1.

In the mean time I'll work on getting the fence mod going. I have a preliminary design I've thrown together on Google Sketchup. The large silver extrusion is the table saw fence. The white one is Incra's T-track Plus (probably will use two to get measurement on both ends). The brown is 1/2" and 3/4" MDF. If any one sees any glaring mistakes please let me know.

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I noticed in this drawing the double t-slot has one slot buried and not useable. Is this because of the pieces you have or am I missing something about how you might use the inward turned lower t-slot?


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One question I have is how will you get bolts/nuts into and out of the slots for auxiliary fences?
If you're asking how the aux is held to the primary I'll have three flat head screws accessible from the center in the back of the center chamber and strategically placed behind the outer slot on either end of the face. I'll have to slide the aux onto the primary from the end. I hope that's what you were asking.

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It appears you have a hole for a chip/dust collector which is excellent. I would also have some auxiliary jig slots along the top for flexibility of adding jig parts that may require different positioning to augment and assist the t-slots. I would also consider a t-slot at the very top facing up to gain more jig and stops design flexibility.
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On ting you appear to be doing wisely is making the fence taller. I have had to add a tall fence auxiliary jig to my commercial fence that permits me to do spline and mortising on things like picture frames and legs which are tall, sometimes held at an angle, and need vertical support.
I like the height, too. That was intentional.

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I noticed in this drawing the double t-slot has one slot buried and not useable. Is this because of the pieces you have or am I missing something about how you might use the inward turned lower t-slot?
Its how the Incra TTrackPlus is made. There's a scale on the front of the back facing slot that I don't show in the sketch.

Thanks for the response.

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Clyde,

I took one of your suggestions and put the TTrack Plus on the top and replaced it with a standard track. I made the support boxes shallower and added support on the top across the top of the saw fence. Then I dropped in some fasteners for clarity. I've shifted the positions of the slide-able sections to show the fasteners that would otherwise be hidden.

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Addendum: The 1/4-20 screws that the aux fence sections ride on will be in threaded inserts (I have some from a previous project). That's why I'm not going to use track there. Should have been clearer on that.
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Added the Saw table for some context.

First pic: full layout with the fence at the right most position allowable.
Second pic: Fence, TTrack, and Plate removed to show the cutouts in the top (3/4 Melamine).
Third pic: Top removed to show the 1/2 MDF base inside the frame sections.

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Over 160 views and no one is warning me off so I guess I can move forward.

Two dimension drawings
1. Aluminum angle detail
2. Top and base detail

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Added the Saw table for some context.

First pic: full layout with the fence at the right most position allowable.
Second pic: Fence, TTrack, and Plate removed to show the cutouts in the top (3/4 Melamine).
Third pic: Top removed to show the 1/2 MDF base inside the frame sections.

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It looked good to me until I got to this the first pic. The way you have it set up you will have to work over the long (left) end of the saw. You need to set it up so the fence is between the router position and the saw blade position so your routing work area is off the right end of the saw. Actually the fence itself is fine I just am hoping you are planning on mounting it on the other side of the saw fence than what you are showing
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