Thanks for the heads up. I do have the real thing, but this reminded me to move it to the jointer and planer area so it's handy. It's probably a good idea to scan all wood going through those two machines, even the good stuff from a wood supplier can pick up a fragment big enough to chip a blade.

 

wonderful...
do you know or can you tell what the country of origin for the knock offs...

 

Nope...cannot...seller ships to Amazon and they repackage it when Amazon sells it...

Amazon said they would "take care of the seller"...I think it was Rootproduct...don't see them today.

But a new seller "Harlows lot" just launched that sells the "V"...

Wanna Bet it's the same seller...? After Amazon kicked them off...?

 

Sounds like it isn't a knockoff, but a re-label of a cheaper model bought in bulk (probably made and purchased out the factory back door in a third world country).

 

Yup...that was one of the two ways they pass off fakes...relabeled older version and out/out knockoff...

 

According to law it must have country of origin.

 

Holy cow. Makes you suspicious of just about everything coming out of the big C (for China, for counterfeiting).

Think of it, you are one of several subcontractors, using primitive methods to produce your share of a known product. So you have lots of rejected parts, as do the others, so instead of scrapping them, you steal the blueprints and make your own knockoffs. Human nature is not much different in China, obviously. Probably worse in other poor countries.

 

Throughout history, China was known for it innovations and inventions. Now, they are only know for their thievery and low quality rip-offs.

China has been stealing for years and making cheap copies. Back in the 70's I worked for W. R. Case & Sons (Case Knives). A tour group of Chinese came through; snapping pictures of all of the equipment, operations, knife patterns, etc. A few months later they started marketing cheap low quality look-a-likes. Things haven't changed four decades later.

The real upsetting thing is the unscrupulous vendors that know that they are fakes, buy them from China, and sell them to the unsuspecting public.

In Nick's case, it appears that Amazon either knew or didn't care that they were marketing a crooked vendors product. If they even braced the vendor over the issue it was apparently just a slap on the hand. The vendor disappeared and a new vendor, selling the exact same products immediately reappeared. You can't tell me that Amazon doesn't know that this is going on!

Amazon is not always the cheapest. I have found products on Amazon marketed by reputable vendors that are more expensive than buying directly from that vendors' website.

 

As I mentioned in another thread (or perhaps it was this one) - there are three types of products: OEM - Original Equipment Manufacturer, Counterfeit, Knock-offs.
(During my law enforcement days, I regularly investigated counterfeit currency: passing and manufacture)

OEM - obvious definition - Original Equipment Manufacturer
Counterfeit - marketed to be "the original product"
Knock-off - marketed to be "just like the original"

Knock-offs aren't illegal, but counterfeits are. The problem with counterfeits is that an unsuspecting buyer thinks he's getting an original product, but is getting something that is of lesser quality, lower standards in production. In some cases, this might not be a problem - like a watch or a golf club. But in other cases it could mean a safety issue - think brake pads, medical products

Here's an article from a number of years ago - customs officials made a public display of crushing, with a steam roller, thousands of counterfeit Rolex watches as a warning to other.

7,000 fake Rolex watches crushed by steamroller - Odd News | newslite.tv

 

After some research, I bought the Scanner V from PTI...

Now that it's delivered there are other noticeable differences between the real one and the knockoffs...

1. The real one picks up a staple from about 1 1/2" away across the entire wand...
2. The rubber handle is actually rubber
3. "Garrett" is embossed in the rubber
4. The plastic housing is rugged and strong...no twisting
5. It comes with the battery
6. It comes with the right manual and warranty registration
7. The box is not plain white.,..it's a real Garrett box, pictures and all

There's probably more but these are first impressions...

 

And now there is another attempt. If at first you don't succeed, try and try again.

New vendor just started on Amazon Impending Joy

Wouldn't you just love to buy a scanner v from them?

 

it's never going to stop...see Stick's research in this thread...Amazon is the leading space provider for knockoff sales...the nature of the business I guess but you would think Amazon would be a little more strict...

..."follow the money"...

 

found more

went searching and found this...


The problem originates with Amazon 3P.
Amazon’s third party marketplace

Amazon 3P, or third-party marketplace, allows merchants to setup accounts and sell items in a relatively unregulated environment. The listing shows up right next to Amazon’s 1P listings, or goods sold by Amazon, leaving little differentiation between verified listings and counterfeit goods.

Nearly 40% of paid items from Amazon are from 3P merchants

Financially, Amazon has little incentive to regulate this marketplace. For 3P sales Amazon only reports fees paid by vendors to Amazon and not the cost of goods sold, thus offering gross margins of 90 to 100% while its traditional retail business has gross margins of about 20%. On paper, this looks excellent to investors.

The problem is, more and more companies are having to place warnings on their sites alerting buyers that, while Amazon is an authorized dealer, not all sellers on Amazon are.
So Amazon doesn’t verify all of their goods sold?

Amazon has three ways that they handle fulfillment of orders:

Ships from and sold by [third-party seller]
These items are not touched by Amazon and ship directly from the Third Party Seller. This is how most of the counterfeit goods are sold.

Fulfilled by Amazon
These items are not sold by Amazon, but are shipped from one of Amazon’s fulfillment centers. This means that items are processed by Amazon but are not necessarily verified.

Sold by Amazon
These items are sold by Amazon and are most likely the legitimate product.
How does this affect their brand equity?

Amazon is faced with the same problem that eBay has struggled with for years. Unauthorized third-party sellers impersonating and undercutting popular consumer brands.

Being the largest online retailer is an impressive feat, but what if they were known as a company that sells counterfeit goods that lights people’s hair on fire or fraudulent makeup products that don’t perform as expected.

If they allow fraud to become a rampant problem, even drone delivery won’t be able to convince customers to purchase products through them.

As eBay found, this can be a very costly business. In 2008, eBay was ordered to pay $61 million to LVMH (Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton) after it was found that 90% of Louis Vuitton bags sold on the site were fakes.

Branding expert and author of The Lean Brand, Jeremiah Gardner puts it this way;

“At the core of a brand is a relationship. In fact, relationships are the whole point of branding in the first place. It’s the relationship between an organization and an audience that creates trust, loyalty, expectation, and ultimately value in the real world. If you violate the relationship, like Netflix with the launch of Qwikster or Target with their recent credit card woes, you put the trust, loyalty, expectation, and value you have in the marketplace at risk.”

Amazon is the largest online retailer, but if they aren’t able to keep the knock-off products off their site they will be driving consumers to seek out retailers who are offering verified products without the risk of purchasing counterfeit goods.

5 Things You Should Know About Amazon’s Issues With Counterfeits

When you see a brand-name handbag or laptop being sold on Amazon for well below its retail price, it’s hard to not hit the “Buy” button. But is it a good deal or just a counterfeit in brand-name clothing?
A new report from CNBC claims that a growing number of products sold by third parties on Amazon are fakes, and that the e-tail giant is having a difficult time getting a handle on the problem.

As a result, sellers of legitimate goods say their revenues are hurting as more and more companies copy their products and offer them at steep discounts, while customers are complaining that their newly acquired items aren’t the real deal.

Here’s what we learned about Amazon’s counterfeit problem, and what the company is doing to make it right.

#1: Opening the floodgates: CNBC reports that counterfeiting on Amazon has grown significantly in recent years as the company welcomed Chinese manufacturers into its operations. Sales from China-based sellers more than doubled last year.

#2: A mixed bag of products: The increase in sales from Chinese companies on Amazon has been made possible, in part, because the company has made it easier for these manufacturers to get their products to customers quickly.

For example, Amazon registered with the Federal Maritime Commission to provide ocean freight for Chinese companies to ship goods directly to Amazon fulfillment centers, cutting out costs and inefficiencies.

#3: Commingling and false security: The increase in products from Chinese merchants has led to commingling of products at Amazon fulfillment centers.

This allows the company to put together orders with products from different sellers, making it difficult to know you’re purchasing a counterfeit item.

These orders, because they come from an Amazon fulfillment center, often contain a FBA (Fulfilled By Amazon) tag. Critics say this gives customers a false sense that their products are legitimate.

CNBC suggests that a counterfeit jacket could be sent to an Amazon facility by one merchant and actually sold by another.

#4: A lack of safeguards: Critics say that Amazon hasn’t done enough to prevent the influx of counterfeit items or prepare shoppers for the possibility that they might not be buying what they thing they are.

This is evidenced, CNBC says, in the number of sellers that offer high-end products at deep discounts. While these sales should raise a red flag for both customers and Amazon, that simply doesn’t appear to be occurring.

 

Thanks, Stick...

If Amazon won't protect us from 3P's then we should protect ourselves from Amazon...

 

copy that...
and the Chinese...

which the ones that want a ''good deal'' at all costs, will ignore and fuel the problem...

 

This is unfortunate, as I thought "Fulfilled by Amazon " meant I could trust the product .
They should change it to " Foiled by Amazon"

And we have to quit borrowing money from China , cause 20 minutes later you feel broke again

 

ooooops...

#5: Trying to make it up: CNBC reports that while counterfeiting is supposedly on the rise at Amazon, the company is trying to help customers after the fact.

If customers can verify that they’ve bought counterfeit goods, Amazon will push sellers to refund the purchase or they kick the sellers off the site, Walter Price, a portfolio manager at Allianz Global Investors, tells CNBC.

“Amazon does stick up for the consumer,” he says. “They put the customer first, not the merchant.”

However, some customers and sellers have run into issues with these policies. Back in 2012, a man who purchased a pair of headphones from a third-party seller on Amazon told Consumerist that when he tried to resell them on the site they were flagged as counterfeit.

Additionally, Amazon does have an anti-counterfeiting policy that works to respond to infringement notices submitted by sellers who feel their products are being ripped off.

CNBC reports that the fraudsters often make it difficult by changing the names of their stores and relaunching as quickly as they were removed from the site.

“They’ve been reactive, not proactive,” Chris McCabe, a former Amazon merchant account investigator, tells CNBC. “Amazon can’t watch everyone all the time, and they don’t pretend they can.”

Amazon’s Chinese counterfeit problem is getting worse [CNBC]

 

forest for the trees @Nickp...