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#1 · (Edited)
Hello,
First of all, this is a new world for me so please write answers including the very basics.

If you don’t have time to read the background then skip to the end where the specific question is.

Background
I just completed designing and building a three phase inverter and a gate driver circuit for control as a hobby project so now I need a motor to start developing motor control. Since my profession is rotating electrical machine design, I decided to make my own calculations and build it myself. Now I am at the point where I need to order electrical steel and therefore sent out some requests for quotations to companies working with water jet and laser cutting. One company has responded and wants roughly 45USD per sheet for the stator and I need 380 sheets and a rotor too of course 😁. Impossible for me. Therefore I am in need of a plan B and I looked into this field of desktop CNC machines which I found very interesting and could be a solution.

The question I have boils down to;
Is there a desktop machine available below 1500 USD that can cut electrical steel of maximum thickness 0.5mm including very fine details in the sheet (like slot openings about 1mm wide). If it cuts mechanically or by laser does not matter to me. Maximum diameter of sheet is 200 mm.

Thanks in advance for your advice
 
#2 ·
Welcome to the forum! I moved this to the CNC Routing forum so it will get more exposure to those who might know what you'll need.

Best guess is no, you won't find a desktop CNC or laser to cut steel as a general rule. Something as thin as 0.5mm might be doable, though, for the CNC. It will likely take a fiber laser to cut the steel, though. No idea what those cost and they typically aren't nearly large enough for your 200mm diameter requirement. Many of the small CNC's are that large, either.
 
#3 · (Edited by Moderator)
Thanks for your fast response David and for moving the thread. Your response is in line with what I read so far and was afraid was true.
What about drilling (still cnc) using a fine drill for the interior where the fine machining is needed and then change to a large diameter drill to cut the exterior. At the exterior I could accept some “local radiis”, at least for the stator. Are there machines with magazines for changing active tool automatically?
 
#7 ·
Could this be something after upgrading to a more powerful spindle (makita)?
Also, electric sheets are available in smaller thickness than 0.5 and the smaller the better for the iron loss but of course, more labor for making the sheets.
I liked that it is delivered with a laser engraver as well.

 
#10 ·
Hi!
Thanks!
Are you in the power electronics and/or electrical machines field? I can share anything from what has been done so far, I.e an inverter and gate driver circuit providing sinus-PWM gate control pulses that, in turn, are generated by an arduino uno. I started it January last year and only work on it during winter season (November-April). I’ve had tons of problems until I got it working without burning mosfets and/or gate driver ic:s but finally it runs stable. I have loads for testing it up to approximately 10A and at this point the inverter is cold as ice (large heat sinks). It’s built using mosfets rated 100V/60A (could be 50A, I can check later). Anyway, that current cannot be reached unless the core is under water. The DC-supply voltage will be 48V but so far I run at 24V because I buy components when it’s time to take the next step to minimize the money spent if I will not succeed
I can attach pictures if I only know how to do it.

I honestly saw the motor building part as the easy part of this project, I never could imagine the fantasy prices for cutting some steel sheets 😂.
 
#9 ·
I have a sienci long mill CNC machine. There is at least one user on our forum that has attached a plasma cutter head to that CNC and cuts steel with it routinely. You can read about it on the Sienci forum. The CNC will come in under your budget, but I don't know what his cost for the plasma cutter is. You could ask him on the forum, if you like.
 
#15 ·
Having the steel laser cut is going to be the best option. There are no DIY lasers capable of cutting steel sheet. Commercial laser cutters usually charge by the inch of cut. They are very precise, and very fast.
Is there a desktop machine available below 1500 USD that can cut electrical steel of maximum thickness 0.5mm including very fine details in the sheet (like slot openings about 1mm wide). If it cuts mechanically or by laser does not matter to me. Maximum diameter of sheet is 200 mm.
A small mill like a Taig or Sherline could possibly do it, but you're going to spend closer to $2000-$4000. And then you'll likely find it incredibly difficult to make the parts you want, due to the small sizes and intricate details. You could be looking at a year long learning curve, and still might not be able to make the parts. A laser should have no trouble.
 
#16 ·
Having the steel laser cut is going to be the best option. There are no DIY lasers capable of cutting steel sheet. Commercial laser cutters usually charge by the inch of cut. They are very precise, and very fast.


A small mill like a Taig or Sherline could possibly do it, but you're going to spend closer to $2000-$4000. And then you'll likely find it incredibly difficult to make the parts you want, due to the small sizes and intricate details. You could be looking at a year long learning curve, and still might not be able to make the parts. A laser should have no trouble.
Thanks for your input Sir!
Yeah, unfortunately this seems to be the conclusion. Unfortunately since I today tried a laser cutting company’s price calculator. They had the feature of calculating price based on a dxf file. And yet again, a really ridiculous price in the 100 000 Sek range (equivalent to 10 000 USD). I mean, I’m not buying their machine 😂
 
#19 ·
Welcome to the forum, @grape
 
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#23 ·
Yes, that is correct but it violates my project definition - to build the hardware and software for a complete drive line myself. Also, I think it is tough to find a permanent magnet synchronous motor (not brushless dc) rated at this low voltage.
I have thought of building a transformer (the sheets for that should be cheap) and then use standard motors, but again, it would take away some of the fun.