Can anyone tell me what the wax that the sharpening folks use to coat resharpened router bits & saw blades with is called & where I can get some?
Thx.
Rod Betts
Thx.
Rod Betts
Router Bit/Saw Blade Wax Coating
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Okay guys, here's the poop.
Evans Coatings has the right stuff but won't sell less than 25 lbs. The same stuff is sold through McMaster Carr only they sell in smaller quantities. The item number is 7762T44. It's called Hot-Melt Reusable Peel-Away Coating Style A. I bought 5 lbs. for $31.66 and I guess that includes shipping as they didn't add any shipping costs to the invoice. It is also available in other quantities. There are other styles but A or B are likely what you'd want to use.
I don't have it yet. When I get it, and if there is anything else to report, I'll do another posting.
Thanks all,
Rod Betts
Evans Coatings has the right stuff but won't sell less than 25 lbs. The same stuff is sold through McMaster Carr only they sell in smaller quantities. The item number is 7762T44. It's called Hot-Melt Reusable Peel-Away Coating Style A. I bought 5 lbs. for $31.66 and I guess that includes shipping as they didn't add any shipping costs to the invoice. It is also available in other quantities. There are other styles but A or B are likely what you'd want to use.
I don't have it yet. When I get it, and if there is anything else to report, I'll do another posting.
Thanks all,
Rod Betts
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I'm not sure. Do they ship to Canada? If not, everything is what we can't get at either.
Hi Rod - 5 lbs should go a long way. I didn't notice it on the Evans website but McM says it is reusable. Just peel it off and toss it back in the pot... Kool.
Hey Rod, I know this will sound to easy and cheap, but I keep a toilet bowl wax ring handy for all kinds of things in my shop and it works great for protection as well as lubing up wood screws and other things, just slip it over an old towel rack and keep an old sock handy for rubbing it on stuff, Way simple
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I just don't get it, once you have that junk off why would you want to put it back on.
Now if you live in a jungle I could see putting it back on but other wise, it's very hard to see the true profile of the bits with that junk on..you can always use the hvy.plastic bags that many ship the bits in..I have 50 or so if you need some..
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I just don't get it, once you have that junk off why would you want to put it back on.
Now if you live in a jungle I could see putting it back on but other wise, it's very hard to see the true profile of the bits with that junk on..you can always use the hvy.plastic bags that many ship the bits in..I have 50 or so if you need some..
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Just to answer a few questions & make a few comments:
1. I received the tool wax (I'll call it wax for want of better short name.) and it turns out that I lied in my last posting. McMaster Carr did add $6.00 to my credit card to cover shipping (total $37.66.)
2. Why would you use it - 1) Corrosion control, 2) Protect from damage if dropped etc., 3) sharp edges that if left exposed can cut & damage & and injure. 4) the wax is oily enough that I'm pretty sure, after a while, it would penetrate into router bit bearings keeping them well lubricated. As you know, oil seems to creep & crawl and get into everything so why not into router bit bearings? The stuff sure leaves a nice oily residue on router bits. I haven't seen a router bit or saw blade yet that won't rust given enough time and I live in a semiarid area.
3. I've used it and it works well. The melting point is 350 degrees (wish it was a bit lower.) I put it in a tin can and melted it with a propane torch but won't do so again, it's pretty messy & cumbersome. Tried an old kitchen slow cooker with water in it and the tin can set in the water. Didn't get hot enough. I may try a small electric frying pan if I can find one on eBay that's small enough, cheap enough, and deep enough. If not, I'll try for a used hot plate and small kitchen pan. You can buy melters but they're expensive.
4. Yes, although I haven't tried it yet, I'm sure the wax would be reusable and I intend to reuse it. There may be a limit to how many times it can be reheated. Time will tell.
5. Toilet wax rings? Sounds handy. It's not designed for rust control but could be helpful as long as there's not something in it that promotes damage or corrosion. I keep a wax furniture polish handy for cast iron surfaces etc. Likely does about the same thing.
6) Now the big question. Is it worth all bother and trouble? For some, the answer would certainly be no. For me --- the jury's still out but I have so much time, bother, and money invested that I'm committed.
1. I received the tool wax (I'll call it wax for want of better short name.) and it turns out that I lied in my last posting. McMaster Carr did add $6.00 to my credit card to cover shipping (total $37.66.)
2. Why would you use it - 1) Corrosion control, 2) Protect from damage if dropped etc., 3) sharp edges that if left exposed can cut & damage & and injure. 4) the wax is oily enough that I'm pretty sure, after a while, it would penetrate into router bit bearings keeping them well lubricated. As you know, oil seems to creep & crawl and get into everything so why not into router bit bearings? The stuff sure leaves a nice oily residue on router bits. I haven't seen a router bit or saw blade yet that won't rust given enough time and I live in a semiarid area.
3. I've used it and it works well. The melting point is 350 degrees (wish it was a bit lower.) I put it in a tin can and melted it with a propane torch but won't do so again, it's pretty messy & cumbersome. Tried an old kitchen slow cooker with water in it and the tin can set in the water. Didn't get hot enough. I may try a small electric frying pan if I can find one on eBay that's small enough, cheap enough, and deep enough. If not, I'll try for a used hot plate and small kitchen pan. You can buy melters but they're expensive.
4. Yes, although I haven't tried it yet, I'm sure the wax would be reusable and I intend to reuse it. There may be a limit to how many times it can be reheated. Time will tell.
5. Toilet wax rings? Sounds handy. It's not designed for rust control but could be helpful as long as there's not something in it that promotes damage or corrosion. I keep a wax furniture polish handy for cast iron surfaces etc. Likely does about the same thing.
6) Now the big question. Is it worth all bother and trouble? For some, the answer would certainly be no. For me --- the jury's still out but I have so much time, bother, and money invested that I'm committed.
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So, that makes you an honest evaluator! If it's bad, it's got to be really bad for you to criticize it. Otherwise, you'll provide either unqualified support or qualified support.
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The toilet bowl wax ring is pure bee's wax. Won't hurt a thing....
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Why a wax coating? You should look into BOESHIELD T-9 it's great stuff. I use it all the time. The amount of protection offsets the cost.
Penetrates deeply to seal out moisture. Specially formulated waterproof metal lubricant developed by Boeing Aircraft Co. that deeply penetrates metal pores and forms a protective barrier against rust build-up for up to 12 months. Non-fluorocarbon, ozone safe. Dries to a thin wax film in minutes to displace moisture and loosen rusted metal parts quickly and easily. Ideal for maintaining and storing hand tools, power tools, automobiles, marine equipment, or other items in your shop and home where moisture is a problem. No silicones to interfere with finish.
Penetrates deeply to seal out moisture. Specially formulated waterproof metal lubricant developed by Boeing Aircraft Co. that deeply penetrates metal pores and forms a protective barrier against rust build-up for up to 12 months. Non-fluorocarbon, ozone safe. Dries to a thin wax film in minutes to displace moisture and loosen rusted metal parts quickly and easily. Ideal for maintaining and storing hand tools, power tools, automobiles, marine equipment, or other items in your shop and home where moisture is a problem. No silicones to interfere with finish.
This is a questions I feel I can honestly answer!!! Who knew a 'newbie' could actually add anything useful! My father always used a good quality car wax both on his router table and fence. It made the wood slide through sooo much easier! One small tip... depending on how much use your particular router gets, you may need to clean the wax off periodically so it doesn't become too thick or 'gummy'. But if your router sees wood like my dad's did, this won't be an issue and even if it doesn't, the trade off of having a smooth run is well worth the 3 min. cleanup time!!!
Hello!
Thank's to argonot!
Who make this BOESHIELD T-9 ?
Where' s the doc ? looks very good!
I'm making my own soup for rust protection:
I just make a mix of micronised zinc, purified sheep grease+ olive oil.
It works,but it's not fun, better buy it.
Regards
Thank's to argonot!
Who make this BOESHIELD T-9 ?
Where' s the doc ? looks very good!
I'm making my own soup for rust protection:
I just make a mix of micronised zinc, purified sheep grease+ olive oil.
It works,but it's not fun, better buy it.
Regards
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Trend manufactures Tool & Bit cleaner. They claim this works well to prevent rust, removes resin build up and lets the bit or blade cut easier because of reduced friction. We will be putting this to the test at the International Sawdust Saturday event; Saturday May 26, 2012. I will post photos of the results.
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Salut Gerard,
Est-ce que tu a du alcool isopropylique disponible chez vous? Je utilise 99% pour nettoyer mes outils avec une petite brosse en laiton. Par chance tu la trouverai dans une brocante de domicile!!!! :dance3: Mais il y a rien meilleur que T9 pour la garde glissante et sans rouille.
Hi Gerard:
Do you have isopropyl alcohol available in your area? I use 99% to clean my tools with a small brass brush. Maybe you can find it in a garage sale. There is nothing better than T9 to keep a tool clean and slippery.
Ron
BTW, I've updated and uploaded dust collection. To take a look there are a few "adjustments."
Hello Ron!
Alcool methylic availlable.
Got a ready made super-solvant but don't use it much:
a mix of isopropylic alcool and tetra-ethylène.
I also use cetone witch is highly flammable, dangerous and volatil but cleans.
One big problem is rust , I ve got sheds that are a bit damp, all my machines get rusty.
Been spraying car-oil, various species of anti-moisture, anti rust.
Nothing commercial works at the moment.
The mix with Zn works.It makes an electrolitic protection.
If water comes to metal , it saves the steel by oxydation of Zn.
I'd like to get it ready made , I' ll soon have no micronised Zn anymore.
I' ll reach for this T9.
Seen the dustcollection2.pdf today , getting better all the time, a work in progress...
Regards
Alcool methylic availlable.
Got a ready made super-solvant but don't use it much:
a mix of isopropylic alcool and tetra-ethylène.
I also use cetone witch is highly flammable, dangerous and volatil but cleans.
One big problem is rust , I ve got sheds that are a bit damp, all my machines get rusty.
Been spraying car-oil, various species of anti-moisture, anti rust.
Nothing commercial works at the moment.
The mix with Zn works.It makes an electrolitic protection.
If water comes to metal , it saves the steel by oxydation of Zn.
I'd like to get it ready made , I' ll soon have no micronised Zn anymore.
I' ll reach for this T9.
Seen the dustcollection2.pdf today , getting better all the time, a work in progress...
Regards
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Bonjour Gerard,
C'est quoi votre climat? Est-ce que c'est humide? Est-ce que tu peut chauffer votre atelier? Ça aide beaucoup. J'ai bâtir l’électricité dans mon atelier et le premier chose que j'ai installé c’était le chauffage. Juste une petite affaire de 2000 watt mais c'est tous que j'ai besoin. Juste assay pour enlever l'humidité.
Hi Gerard:
What is your climate> It is humid? Can you heat your workshop? It helps a lot. I built electricity into my shop and the first thing to be installed was the heating. It is just a little 2000w heater but that's all that I need. Just enough to keep out the humidity.
Ok, ran out of French so I'll finish in English! :lazy2:
The Methyl Alcohol is usable but the 99% isopropyl alcohol is less hazardous and just as effective. It doesn't evaporate as quickly as acetone and is much cheaper. You can get it at most pharmacien.
I do recommend the T9 and if you have a real problem, cover the T9 with a good coat of floor wax. The thick paste wax that your mother used to use on the floor.
Yup, on the dust collection. Getting better but a ways to go. I'm hoping some of the other members will comment so I can finally put it to bed.
Talk soon, Gerard.
Ron
Hello Ron!
Climate around Paris is Tempered, Winter can get to -15°c this year -10°c.
But it rains a lot and I live 2Km from a big river called "La Marne", my piece of land
is 9m above the river level, the water is 1.2m from the ground.(Been digging).
So that makes a very damp place.My sheds got no doors, my floors no concrete.
Got to work on my installation, started already with the good weather we got here those days.I'm about to make some concrete floors, got plenty doors and windows
from a friendly company that take old windows out and put brand new hight-tech ones.
When closed, I'll think about heating.
By now, rust still a problem.
Regards.
Gérard
Climate around Paris is Tempered, Winter can get to -15°c this year -10°c.
But it rains a lot and I live 2Km from a big river called "La Marne", my piece of land
is 9m above the river level, the water is 1.2m from the ground.(Been digging).
So that makes a very damp place.My sheds got no doors, my floors no concrete.
Got to work on my installation, started already with the good weather we got here those days.I'm about to make some concrete floors, got plenty doors and windows
from a friendly company that take old windows out and put brand new hight-tech ones.
When closed, I'll think about heating.
By now, rust still a problem.
Regards.
Gérard
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Anybody out there living in wet climates?
I lost La Marne at Vitry-le-Francois. I don't know what department that is but that's pretty long and whoever laid out that river was drunk as a skunk. What's worse, they couldn't figure out where to put it so they dug a million pot holes just to confuse the issue; :dirol:
By comparison I live 1/2 hour from la Fleuve St. Laurent, proche de la ville de quebec. It used to flood and would wipe out entire towns and villages. Now, when there is major icing and they can't break up the ice, they send out blasting crews and cutters. These guys cut the ice into large blocks and float them away. If they get a major ice jam they have to blast.
Where I used to live it was about 10 feet from the river. We had an ice jam in front of the house. Talk about scary. The field on the other side of the river changed from a pasture into a lake, literally overnight. Then, just as quickly as it formed, it broke up. Talk about a racket. The noise was incredible. It sounded like continuous car accidents.
Sorry, I have no solution to your rust problem other than T9 and wax. You could use Tremclad paint on the unmachined surfaces and then T9 and wax on the machined surfaces. That might help. I'm grasping at straws here. I'm trying to think of almost anything that might help.
Anybody else out there in wet climates??
Ron
Hi Gerard:
I lost La Marne at Vitry-le-Francois. I don't know what department that is but that's pretty long and whoever laid out that river was drunk as a skunk. What's worse, they couldn't figure out where to put it so they dug a million pot holes just to confuse the issue; :dirol:
By comparison I live 1/2 hour from la Fleuve St. Laurent, proche de la ville de quebec. It used to flood and would wipe out entire towns and villages. Now, when there is major icing and they can't break up the ice, they send out blasting crews and cutters. These guys cut the ice into large blocks and float them away. If they get a major ice jam they have to blast.
Where I used to live it was about 10 feet from the river. We had an ice jam in front of the house. Talk about scary. The field on the other side of the river changed from a pasture into a lake, literally overnight. Then, just as quickly as it formed, it broke up. Talk about a racket. The noise was incredible. It sounded like continuous car accidents.
Sorry, I have no solution to your rust problem other than T9 and wax. You could use Tremclad paint on the unmachined surfaces and then T9 and wax on the machined surfaces. That might help. I'm grasping at straws here. I'm trying to think of almost anything that might help.
Anybody else out there in wet climates??
Ron
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